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The Signpost: 24 September 2012

Thanks

Thanks-for editing the info box at the Charles Crosby article. I had difficulties trying to edit info boxes.RFD (talk) 12:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 12:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 01 October 2012

Müdigkeit

Copied from my talk page.

I've adjusted your block of User:Müdigkeit, as discussed at User talk:Müdigkeit#Blocked. While I normally have a great deal of respect for your decisions, I wonder if you haven't taken this a bit personally? Because an indef-block of an established user, where there was no warning given locally, is more than a bit ... extreme. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 13:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, Philosopher. You've violated the blocking policy and administrator policy in order to substitute your decision for mine. You have not, prior to changing the block, consulted me as the blocking administrator. You've not taken it to an administrative noticeboard (at which time you would be required to notify me). You've failed to understand that an indefinite block is not the same thing as a permanent block. The indefinite block was applied to prevent further disruption by an account that has now become a cross-wiki disruptive account. Do you have any experience with cross-wiki disruptive accounts? Do you understand that the user has demonstrated escalating disruptive behaviour on German Wikipedia, and then started behaving disruptively and ignoring longstanding community practice on this project within three weeks of coming here? You're not responding in any way to an unblock request. Do you have any reason to expect that I would not have responded favourably to an unblock request from the user that undertook to refrain from attempting draconian action to alter community practices without even discussing these practices with the community? I suggest the following: reinstate the block that was in place, which was intended to be indefinite (and not permanent), and then take it to the admin noticeboard for discussion. I am going to copy this over to your talk page and to the user's talk page as well. Risker (talk) 15:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
To avoid the continued replication of this thread, I'm replying at that user's talk page. Multiple duplicate threads ... get confusing fast. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 04:51, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 15 October 2012

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Thanks for clarifying, and thanks for your help. Much appreciated. GiantSnowman 11:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

David J. Strachman: OTRS can help direct the person to who should handle the issue, and what evidence is needed

The Afd discussion was pointless, since the nom wasn't asking for a deletion based on notability. If nom has legal backing for the request (I don't know if Strachman has), the right people to check with would be OTRS, who would know where to forward the req. to. Churn and change (talk) 15:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't disagree with the closure - the nomination was definitely premature, since the request should have been forwarded to OTRS, but unless the WMF was willing to step in with an WP:OFFICE action, the place to forward the request would be right back to AfD (which doesn't only deal with notability issues). --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
If WMF isn't willing to delete, I don't think there is anything much to it; there isn't any policy/guideline which says subjects have a special right over their articles. There is a second deletion nomination open now, by somebody who is not involved with Strachman, questioning notability. Churn and change (talk) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Well then, I guess we agree. And yeah, I suppose I might as well take a look at the new AfD. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist removals

I just removed 2,436 items from my watchlist, including everything in article-space. I'm adding a few back, but not everything! Hopefully this will make it a little easier to manage, though I wish there was an easy way to leave the redirects and redlinks on the watchlist. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 17:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 October 2012

Thank you!

Thanks for accepting my AWB request. I submitted the comment just after you at WP:VP(P)#Complex articles, went to check whether the request was accepted and got surprised that the request was accepted by you just before the comment was posted. It's amazing! :) ···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 00:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. That is an interesting coincidence! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 01:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
And today, I saw you at the Simple talk. Its amazing! (I had switched my home page from enwp to simplewp a few days before due to slow loading of enwp so that I can login from there and then come here. I felt the Simple as a very peaceful place)···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 21:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Contacting you re: your deletion of "Stevie Vann" page.

Discussing this page in [the talk page for Stevie Vann.]

I invite you to contribute to that page rather than discuss it on your talk page. It's not you I want to discuss but re-creating a wikipedia page for "Stevie Vann" but the system seems to be pointing me to contact you and I don't know how to do that other than create an entry on your talk page. Sorry if this is the wrong move just let us know and I will create an entry in the "Requests for undeletion" page. Thanks. Peter Dow (talk) 05:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Below copied from the now-deleted Talk:Stevie Vann. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:15, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I was looking for her entry in Wikipedia and only found a reference to a deleted page for "Stevie Vann" and I want to discuss creating a page which doesn't get deleted.
The woman singer "Stevie Vann" is discussed in this source Last Fm - Stevie Vann.
In what appears to be her "official" website, she is named as "Stevie Vann Lange".
She speaks about her singing career in this video - Stevie Lange, Tell us your story!
I know her singing from the TV advert jingles she sung in the 1980s / 90s. One advert jingle in particular, the "Whoah ... Bodyform" is so famous that people of my generation have it hard-wired into our brains and is almost part of British culture. The jingle has recently been mentioned in a viral video on YouTube with more than 3,000,000 views - Bodyform - the Truth.
Anyway, does Wikipedia want to stay in denial about this singer with her ultra-famous voice? I trust not.


As an aside, the instructions given on the talk page for the deleted page (on a red background) attempting to explain whether or not to proceed to talk about a deleted page didn't make much sense to me. What did the deleted page contain? I presume my content above must be different from the deleted page. I have given sources certainly and the reasons given for deletion seem to be that no sources were given so I am reasonably sure my content must be different from the deleted page. But how can anyone, however different their comments, be 100% sure that their comment is different if the page has been deleted? The instructions in red read somewhat like a catch-22 rule to prevent anyone reviving a deleted page that someone from the Wikipedia High Command has deleted.
Anyway, I thought Wikipedia ought to have a page for this singer and I am surprised there isn't and think it is about time someone authored a page though I am not sure that I am the best person to write it but I will if no-one else does and that's OK with the editors.
Peter Dow (talk) 05:20, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
First, you were right to come here to discuss it, sorry for the delay in getting back to you, by the way. Second, there is no "Wikipedia High Command," as I'm sure you know. However, we can't make the content of deleted pages generally available since many of them appear to contain copyright violations or slander/libel and are thus in violation or potential violation of the law. Which is where "asking an admin" comes in, since we can look at the deleted pages and check them.
Stevie Vann looks like it was probably an okay article, except that it had no reliable sources. There were sources, mind you, but they were either completely unreliable - like the Geocities page - or were primary sources (sources connected to the subject of the article) - like the artist's website.
So the question is: Do you have enough sources for what you think the article should say? Can you verify the content with sources other than the artist herself? (e.g. newspaper/magazine articles, books, maybe mentions by other artists) Note particularly that claims that the artist is notable and worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia must be supported by reliable secondary sources and so must controversy about her. If so, you have two choices: I can undelete the old article, which had some useful formatting and structure, or you can create your own version of the article.
Sorry for all of the hassle. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
P.S. If you think an instructional page should be clarified, you can either let me know which one and how and I'll do it or you can just be WP:BOLD and do it yourself. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I wish to quote a comment I made on Gogo Dodo's talk page as regards his deletion of my talk page.

My objection to Gogo Dodo deleting "Talk: Stevie Vann" page
Talk: Stevie Vann page I re-created because I wanted to discuss a previous deletion of the subject "Stevie Vann" page and the singer Stevie Vann herself, with a view to restoring or creating a new "Stevie Vann" page.
The criterion you quoted for a speedy deletion, G8, "21:17, 29 October 2012 Gogo Dodo (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Stevie Vann (G8: Talk page of a nonexistent or deleted page)" may not apply because an exclusion for talk pages without a corresponding subject page is given in Wikipedia's Criteria for speedy deletion, G8, to quote -
"This excludes any page that is useful to Wikipedia, and in particular deletion discussions that are not logged elsewhere".
So "G8" may not be a valid criterion for a speedy deletion of a deletion discussion; your speedy deletion was particularly invalid I suggest because you seem to have exhibited a demonstrable disregard for the need to log the discussion elsewhere. Tut, tut.
It appears that Philosopher, with knowledge of your summary deletion of that talk page I started, it, has dug out my deleted text using his administrator abilities and pasted it into his talk page here.
So my thanks are due to Philosopher for logging my content but no thanks to you, Gogo Dodo, as you seem to have disregarded the deletion discussion I was attempting. So I object to your summary deletion but if you now restore the Talk: Stevie Vann page you deleted, perhaps suggesting why you think it ought to be deleted then we can take the discussion from there on that page, where it belongs. If you insist and refuse to reverse your deletion I intend to request elsewhere that my Talk: Steve Vann page be restored, overruling your inappropriate, invalid, heavy-handed and contemptuous abuse of administration powers.
Peter Dow (talk) 20:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


As regards the subject page, I'd be curious to read the content of the original deleted page and until I do so I could not even guess whether or not there might be sources for that original content. Would not the original author be the best person to offer sources for his / her own content? Who was the original author of the deleted page? I offered sources in my talk page content only for why I believed the singer Stevie Vann Lange is a notable person worthy of a subject page in Wikipedia. I haven't yet given any thought as to what I would write if I was the one left to author a new Stevie Vann subject page; that's not my priority right now.

No need to be sorry for the delay. I just wish administrators on Wikipedia would rather delay deleting subject pages I would have liked to read or talk pages I would like to have added to.

I'd suggest - restore the original Stevie Vann page and let all those with an interest in Stevie Vann (rather than an interest in Wikipedia administrators) discuss possible sources (and edits to remove content which can't be sourced) in the correct place for such a discussion - in the Talk: Stevie Vann page. Peter Dow (talk) 20:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've restored the original article (and, incidentally, its talk page). Please be aware, though, that until/unless adequate sources are added, it is going to be at some risk for deletion. As for your other comments, can I suggest that you assume good faith here? The admins are volunteers who want to build an encyclopedia, just as you are. Happy editing! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:03, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Recognition

Thanks very much for the barnstar! I'm planning an entire Midwestern series, so Michigan is up next. I see you've signed up for the 2013 Wikicup. Good luck! Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 04:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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New intractable COI draft

I've put up a new draft. I know your concerns were of a general nature and not over specific wording, but consider that the goal of this is to elevate the discussion on COI to more refined terminology. One goal of mine is to reduce the knee-jerk stigma of COI, and its hard association with "paid advocacy". Editors should realize that most everyone has a COI in some area or another, and refining our terms by getting rid of pejorative jargon like "COI editing" is a step toward that. I know this proposal doesn't outright do that, but by introducing better terminology based on relationships and obligations, I think it's a step in that direction. Gigs (talk) 13:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice/comment; replied there. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 03:59, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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