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Talk:International Churches of Christ

Should the International Churches of Christ (ICOC) be referred to as a "cult" in the lead with the current attribution?

The version of the article at the time of writing this RfC can be found at Special:PermaLink/1246510854, with the section in the lead reading:
"Former members of the church have alleged that it is a cult. Janja Lalich, an academic expert on cults and coercion, has stated that in her view, the ICOC has at minimum some of the "hallmarks of a cult". The church has been barred from recruiting students on campuses or has been denied student organization status at numerous universities."
TarnishedPath^talk 12:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sahaja Yoga

Should the sentence "Judith Coney has written that members 'disguised some of their beliefs' from the outside world." be changed to "During her research, Judith Coney attended a meeting of Sahaja Yoga members where they discussed why Sahaja Yoga had been seen as a cult in a particular press article and of the level of secrecy in the group. She described it as an extremely frank and revealing discussion."? Hire power (talk) 02:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Athena

Should the recent Edit on the native origins of Athena and her birthplace in Lake Tritonis as per Greek sources from Apollodorus of Athens, Hesiod, Pausanias' description of Delphi, Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus and and research articles from Gabriel Camps and Stephen Gsell, be included as seen in this version: (17:37, 16 September 2024‎) or reverted back to the original version (current version) ?

Vote 1 : Edit is kept (Athena's birthplace in Lake Tritonis in North Africa and her early native origins) as per Potymkin

Vote 2 : Edit is removed (No mention of the lake Tritonis birth story) NebY

Potymkin (talk) 10:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Jinn

In the article section "Islam", should the following sentence be added at the beginning?

Jinn have been called an integral part of the Muslim tradition^[1] or faith,^[2] completely accepted in official Islam;^[3] prominently featured in folklore.^[4] It is also taken quite seriously by both medieval and modern Muslim scholars,^[5] who worked out the consequences implied by their existence -- legal status, the possible relations between them and mankind, especially in questions of marriage and property.^[3]

--Louis P. Boog (talk) 01:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Mahatma Gandhi

When describing Mahatma Gandhi's last hunger strike (or "fast-unto-death") undertaken on 12 January 1948, should we say that in addition to stemming the religious violence (or restoring the peace):

"the fast also sought to pressure the Indian government to pay out¹ cash assets owed to Pakistan?" (Note: 1: pay out = pay a large sum of money from funds under one's control.)
1. (both in the lead and the relevant section)
2. (in the relevant section, but not in the lead)
"the fast also sought to indirectly (or implicitly) pressure the Indian government to pay out cash assets owed to Pakistan?
1. (both in the lead and in the relevant section)
2. ( in the relevant section, but not in the lead)
"the fast also caused (or led) the Indian government to pay out cash assets owed to Pakistan."
1. (both in the lead and in the relevant section)
2. (in the relevant section, but not in the lead)
Make no mention of cash assets in this context anywhere in the article.
"In the months following, Gandhi went on hunger strike several times to stop the religious violence. The last, begun in Delhi on 12 January 1948 when he was 78, also aimed to restore to Pakistan its share of cash assets of undivided British India. The fast was an important factor in the Indian government's decision to pay out the assets during a time when India and Pakistan were engaged in a war over the disputed territory of Kashmir."
1. (both in the lead and in the relevant section)
2. (in the relevant section, but not in the lead)

Please choose one of: 1(1), 1(2), 2(1), 2(2), 3(1), 3 (2), 4, 5(1) or 5(2). Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

^ Mark A. Caudill (2006). Twilight in the Kingdom: Understanding the Saudis. Bloomsbury Publishing USA. p. 92. ISBN 9780313084850. Jinn are an integral part of both traditional and Gnostic Islamic belief.
^ William E. Burns (2022). They Believed That?: A Cultural Encyclopedia of Superstitions and the Supernatural around the World. Bloomsbury Publishing USA. p. 137. ISBN 9781440878480. Jinn are considered by some authorities to be an integral part of the Islamic faith due to their inclusion in the Quran.
^ ^a ^b D.B. MacDonald; H. Massé; P.N. Boratav; K.A. Nizami; P. Voorhoeve (eds.). "Djinn". Encyclopaedia of Islam New Edition Online (EI-2 English). Retrieved 27 July 2024. II. In official Islam the existence of the d̲j̲inn was completely accepted, as it is to This day, and the full consequences implied by their existence were worked out. Their legal status in all respects was discussed and fixed, and the possible relations between them and mankind, especially in questions of marriage and property, were examined.
^ Olomi, Ali A. (2021). "14. Jinn in the Quran". The Routledge Companion to the Qur'an. N.Y.: Routledge. p. 149. Retrieved 24 July 2024. The jinn feature prominently in Islamic folklore as ambivalent and mischievous supernatural forces.
^ Coeli Fitzpatrick; Adam Hani Walker, eds. (2014). Muhammad in History, Thought, and Culture: An Encyclopedia of the Prophet of God. Bloomsbury Publishing USA. p. 321. ISBN 9781610691789.

Popper's three worlds has been highlighted as an essay-style article with no inlines and no assertion of notability (thus is a CSD-A7 candidate). I know no Popper, but it looks like a topic that's foundational to his ontology (?). Anyone want to look at this? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

[1] Mark A. Caudill (2006). Twilight in the Kingdom: Understanding the Saudis. Bloomsbury Publishing USA. p. 92. ISBN 9780313084850. Jinn are an integral part of both traditional and Gnostic Islamic belief.

[2] William E. Burns (2022). They Believed That?: A Cultural Encyclopedia of Superstitions and the Supernatural around the World. Bloomsbury Publishing USA. p. 137. ISBN 9781440878480. Jinn are considered by some authorities to be an integral part of the Islamic faith due to their inclusion in the Quran.

[EI-2-English-3] D.B. MacDonald; H. Massé; P.N. Boratav; K.A. Nizami; P. Voorhoeve (eds.). "Djinn". Encyclopaedia of Islam New Edition Online (EI-2 English). Retrieved 27 July 2024. II. In official Islam the existence of the d̲j̲inn was completely accepted, as it is to This day, and the full consequences implied by their existence were worked out. Their legal status in all respects was discussed and fixed, and the possible relations between them and mankind, especially in questions of marriage and property, were examined.

[Olomi-prominently-2021-4] Olomi, Ali A. (2021). "14. Jinn in the Quran". The Routledge Companion to the Qur'an. N.Y.: Routledge. p. 149. Retrieved 24 July 2024. The jinn feature prominently in Islamic folklore as ambivalent and mischievous supernatural forces.

[5] Coeli Fitzpatrick; Adam Hani Walker, eds. (2014). Muhammad in History, Thought, and Culture: An Encyclopedia of the Prophet of God. Bloomsbury Publishing USA. p. 321. ISBN 9781610691789.

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