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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Playboy Cyber Club was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Playboy Cyber Club (2nd nomination) for being non-notable. It's playmates, which are a sub-topic, are non-notable as well. As a result this templates fails WP:NAVBOX#4. Gonnym (talk) 22:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - I agree. I don't think that this template has a particularly good reason to exist. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. No red links. Arguments for irrelevence questioned. Hard to see reason for why Playboy Cyber Club couldn't be redirected to a proper subsection on the matter in other article. PPEMES (talk) 16:28, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional comment: I'll add that 18 links out of the 19 links are all redirects (the 20th entry is a non-link), as the playmates themselves don't have any article. So this is a navbox about a subject which was AfD as non-notable, with redirects links to non-notable individuals, while the template itself contains unverifiable data, as it's a navbox which shouldn't have references. Pretty legit. --Gonnym (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Navigation template with very little useful navigation if any. Only 2 of the 18 blue-link entries are Wikipedia articles. As the nominator states, the rest are redirect to a list or direct links to a list. • Gene93k (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89(T·C) 07:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unused and unnecessary. Only two songs have articles, which link to and from one another from the infobox in each. Plus navigation is already provided by {{JoJo}}. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. -- AquaDTRS (talk) 05:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete navbox template that does not link to anything for over six years; unlikely to ever be used (and if it was, it is likely to link to what would be stats only pages). Yosemiter (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • No, I have not changed my mind. There is no evidence of "significant press coverage" at all. While the Eastern Hockey League itself is notable, its individual seasons are not. Statistics are not enough to pass WP:GNG and are simply WP:ROUTINE. I have spent significant time researching the league, and while there is enough information to write an article about Tommy Lockhart, there just is not enough to justify season articles that contravene WP:NOTSTATS. Flibirigit (talk) 20:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This league was covered extensively in major newspapers around the country, including The Boston Globe, Philadelphia Daily News, The Charlotte Observer, The Tennesseean, and the Miami Herald, which wrote about the games, players, and such. I have a newspapers.com account, and found 1,979 hits from 1970 alone. The season articles pass WP:GNG easily. --Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 22:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Prove it. The coverage I found was routine reporting of scores and standings. These do not pass GNG. Flibirigit (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per the discussion on the talk page, there are concerns that a) this template is not used, b) this template's name is not indicative of its use, c) there is an actually-used template on Commons that is potentially giving confusion, and d) it has a "premium" name and at the very least should be renamed to something else. Primefac (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox tea with Template:Infobox drink.
WP:INFOCOL. PPEMES (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge per nom. There's a significant overlap of the parameters used for both and it's easier to maintain the template if it were merged. 'Other names', 'origins' and 'description' are useful for other drinks. 'Temperature' and 'time' (I believe) refers to the brewing temperature and time which is also relevant for coffees and beers, so there really isn't anything specific in the tea template that requires it to be standalone. (If there was a parameter specific to tea, it could just exist as |tea_something= in the drink template.) -- AquaDTRS (talk) 17:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Nikkimaria, and Auric. Not seeing the benefit. Template seems to be working fine as is. Has a very clear scope. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox property development with Template:Infobox building.

WP:INFOCOL. PPEMES (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, lots of "buildings" are actually rather building complexes but still qualify for Template:Infobox building. In case someone actually owned a town, I guess Template:Infobox settlement would be more appropriate, though? PPEMES (talk)
Many developments are not building complexes either. Look at everything that is using this template. МандичкаYO 😜 16:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, it's a building complex. Any infobox property variable in that article that cannot be retrieved from infobox building? PPEMES (talk) 14:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Parameters (buildings/developments)
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Table of parameter comparisons
Parameter Infobox property development Infobox building
1 No Yes
address Yes Yes
affiliation No Yes
alt No Yes
alternate_name No Yes
alternate_names No Yes
altitude No Yes
antenna_spire No Yes
architect Yes Yes
architectural No Yes
architectural_style No Yes
architecture_firm No Yes
awards No Yes
belowstyle No Yes
building_name No Yes
building_type No Yes
canceled No Yes
cancelled No Yes
capacity No Yes
caption No Yes
chain No Yes
circumference No Yes
civil_engineer No Yes
classification No Yes
client No Yes
closing_date No Yes
completion_date Yes Yes
construction_start_date No Yes
construction_stop_date No Yes
coordinates Yes Yes
cost Yes Yes
current_tenants No Yes
date_demolished No Yes
demolished_date No Yes
demolition_date No Yes
designations No Yes
destroyed No Yes
destruction_date No Yes
developer Yes Yes
development_name Yes No
diameter No Yes
elevator_count No Yes
embed No Yes
embedded No Yes
engineer No Yes
est_completion No Yes
etymology No Yes
facilities No Yes
floor_area No Yes
floor_count No Yes
floors No Yes
footnotes Yes Yes
former_name No Yes
former_names No Yes
governing_body No Yes
grid_name No Yes
grid_position No Yes
groundbreaking_date No Yes
grounds_area No Yes
height No Yes
highest_end No Yes
highest_next No Yes
highest_prev No Yes
highest_reflabel No Yes
highest_region No Yes
highest_start No Yes
hotel_chain No Yes
hotel_name No Yes
image Yes Yes
image_alt No Yes
image_caption Yes Yes
image_map No Yes
image_size Yes Yes
image_upright No Yes
image_width No Yes
inauguration_date No Yes
known_for No Yes
landlord No Yes
location Yes Yes
location_city No Yes
location_country No Yes
location_town No Yes
logo Yes Yes
logo_alt No Yes
logo_caption

Logo_caption

Yes Yes
logo_size Yes Yes
logo_upright No Yes
logo_width No Yes
main_contractor No Yes
main_contractors No Yes
management No Yes
map dot label

map_dot_label

No Yes
map_alt No Yes
map_caption No Yes
map_dot_mark No Yes
map_size No Yes
map_type No Yes
mapframe No Yes
mapframe-caption No Yes
mapframe-height No Yes
mapframe-lat No Yes
mapframe-latitude No Yes
mapframe-long No Yes
mapframe-longitude No Yes
mapframe-marker No Yes
mapframe-marker-color No Yes
mapframe-marker-colour No Yes
mapframe-width No Yes
mapframe-zoom No Yes
material No Yes
module No Yes
name Yes Yes
namesake No Yes
native_building_name No Yes
native_name No Yes
native_name_lang No Yes
nrhp No Yes
number_of_anchors No Yes
number_of_Bars

number_of_bars

No Yes
number_of_restaurants No Yes
number_of_rooms No Yes
number_of_stores No Yes
number_of_suites No Yes
number_of_units No Yes
observatory No Yes
opened No Yes
opened_date No Yes
opening No Yes
opening_date Yes Yes
operator Yes Yes
other_designers No Yes
other_dimensions No Yes
owner Yes Yes
parking No Yes
pushpin_label No Yes
pushpin_map No Yes
pushpin_map_alt No Yes
pushpin_map_caption No Yes
pushpin_mapsize No Yes
pushpin_relief No Yes
qid No Yes
quantity_surveyor No Yes
references No Yes
relief No Yes
relocated_date No Yes
ren_architect No Yes
ren_awards No Yes
ren_civ_engineer No Yes
ren_contractor No Yes
ren_cost No Yes
ren_engineer No Yes
ren_firm No Yes
ren_oth_designers No Yes
ren_qty_surveyor No Yes
ren_serv_engineer No Yes
ren_str_engineer No Yes
renovation_date No Yes
roof No Yes
room_count No Yes
rooms No Yes
seating_capacity No Yes
seating_type No Yes
services_engineer No Yes
size Yes Yes
start_date Yes Yes
status

Status

Yes Yes
stop_date No Yes
structural_engineer No Yes
structural_system No Yes
style No Yes
suite_count No Yes
suites No Yes
tip No Yes
top_floor No Yes
topped_out No Yes
topped_out_date No Yes
topped-out_date No Yes
unit_count No Yes
website Yes Yes
weight No Yes

As can be seen from the above table, every single property in the development infobox except |development_name= (which duplicates |name=), is in the building infobox. Furthermore, the development infobox has just 61 transclusions. Therefore merge. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note, I've collapsed the table to keep this page (and WP:TFD) a little shorter for those not interested in this particular nom. Primefac (talk) 14:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A collection of buildings is not a building. We could enrich {{Infobox property development}} to include parameters such as "notable buildings", "public spaces", "main streets" etc. These would not belong in {{Infobox building}}, but would be relevant to many property developments. It would be useful to review usage of {{Infobox building}} to see which articles are really property developments, and to review property development articles to see what aspects are commonly mentioned but not covered by the infobox. Then expand {{Infobox property development}} with more parameters, convert articles on developments to use {{Infobox property development}}, add categories and link it better from other templates. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Right. So if a building has a penthouse on it, it must not use "infobox building", because strictly speaking it contains more than one building? And definitely so if the building has some annex or even separate building to it, such as a standalone garage? Furthmore, if a property development has been abondoned and has no owner anymore, we have to make an new "infobox former property" for that? And if a property is not developed anymore, we need an "infobox deleoped property" for that? Etc. etc.? PPEMES (talk) 21:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is a continuum from a single building like Liria Palace (or a main building with secondary structures), through a group of separate buildings planned as a whole like University City of Madrid to a larger settlement that has grown up over time like Madrid. I see {{Infobox property development}} as covering the middle ground between {{Infobox building}} and {{Infobox settlement}}. Some of the attributes of a building apply, since both were planned and built as a whole, and some of the attributes of a settlement apply, since both contain many buildings and other facilities like streets and parks. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As seen in the parametres above, though, the only separate variable is "development_name". Is that really enough a justification for a separate infobox, or could that variable be merged? PPEMES (talk) 12:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer to improve {{Infobox property development}} by adding more settlement-type parameters, and to make it more visible to users searching for the most suitable infobox. I can do that after this discussion is closed. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I agree with Wikimandia, a property development is NOT a building. I've actually discussed this a long time ago with actual property developers and my local council. Property development isn't limited to buildings. It can and does include things like roads, water supply, sewage, parks, playgrounds, fences, pathways, in-ground communications and electrical infrastructure, retaining walls, street lighting, water supply and sometimes doesn't include any buildings at all. --AussieLegend () 14:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as property development ≠ building.
    5225C (talkcontributions) 05:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A property that is not developing would ≠ property development . With the same logic, would you advocate a separate "infobox property not developing"? PPEMES (talk) 09:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A property that is not being developed wouldn't need an infobox at all, so it's a silly question. --AussieLegend () 10:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A property development may be planned, in progress, complete, in use, abandoned, demolished. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. If this discussion were to happen again and there would be more consensus, it may be more appropriate to merge the page with Template:Infobox recurring event. (non-admin closure) Train of Knowledge (Talk) 05:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox sporting event organization with Template:Infobox event.
WP:INFOCOL. PPEMES (talk) 22:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't mind that as an alternative. PPEMES (talk) 11:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would not have an objection for "Recurring event" for the events. The issue I brought up is the organization behind an event could be much larger. The Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association might be responsible for a multifaceted event that builds up to one day a year, including a parade and a football game. The NCAA or even the College Football Playoff Committee govern the game, in fact multiple games. They are organizations that are responsible for multiple recurring events. Trackinfo (talk) 00:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikimandia: Which variable in {{Infobox sporting event organization}} is unique to Goodwill Games that can absolutely not be retrieved from {{Infobox event}} or {{Infobox recurring event}}? PPEMES (talk) 13:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Right. Because "infobox recurring event" is only for everything non-sports, non-organised events? PPEMES (talk) 11:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Tom (LT): The nomination hasn't made clear that this template is almost exclusively used on articles about recurring events (e.g. African Beach Games). Note that the articles on the organisations that hold these recurring events use Template:Infobox organisation instead (e.g. Association of National Olympic Committees of Africa). This nominated infobox is not actually being used for sports organisations. SFB 17:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is utterly ridiculous, already the infobox flood has been merged into infobox event. Perhaps if the editors were less active in merging infoboxes, they'd find less work from new infobox creation. So infobox sporting event will therefore be completely inappropriate.Lacunae (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox tram network with Template:Infobox rail network.
WP:INFOCOL. PPEMES (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep the scope of both are separate. As mentioned above, the differing characteristics of both are why there are different templates. There is no convincing reason for a merge. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unused category template. Gonnym (talk) 12:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All of the links redirect to Sentosa Express, I don't see how this serves as a navbox nor can it be incorporated into an existing template. -- AquaDTRS (talk) 04:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Singapore rail transport navbox templates

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The result of the discussion was Delete -FASTILY 06:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There was a huge overlap for many of the navigation links in the nominated templates with Template:Singapore LRT stations and Template:Singapore MRT stations, so I converted the MRT/LRT station templates into a selective display that would the display the links relevant to each of the nominated templates once a specified parameter is active, and replaced them by substitution with AnomieBOT (talk · contribs). These templates and their redirects are now redundant to their respective MRT/LRT templates and are not currently used by any article. (Also, I wasn't sure if these counts as WP:T3 so I nominated them here.) -- AquaDTRS (talk) 00:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notifying template creators as a courtesy (@Dayton12345:, @Sni56996:, @Wpeneditor:) -- AquaDTRS (talk) 01:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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April Fools' Day nominations

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The result of the discussion was There's a snake in my boots.Primefac (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)=[reply]

Totally unnecessary template that adds unneeded clutter to over 1,000,000 pages. See this for an example of what I am talking about. [4-1] -KAP03 (Talk • Contributions • Email) 19:42, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Somebody's poisoned the water hole. Primefac (talk) 01:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)=[reply]

Totally unnecessary template. [citation needed][4-1] -KAP03 (Talk • Contributions • Email) 00:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was This town ain't big enough for the two of us.Primefac (talk) 01:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)=[reply]

Let's see what happens. dibbydib Ping me! 💬/ 03:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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