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Stonyhurst College

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has been tagged as needing GAR since July. It was originally promoted in 2008. There are four maintenance tags on the article (excessive self-published sources, academic boosterism, promotional tone, and excessive detail), apparently each added by a different editor. Two editors have also agreed on the talk page that GAR is needed. From my own cursory review, I've found a handful of uncited paragraphs and a number of page needed tags. I have not gone through the article exhaustively, but the concerns raised appear reasonable, so I am bringing this to GAR. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also notifying @Epicgenius and Czarking0: who expressed support for GAR on the talk page. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tag. I support further investigation in GAR and thank you for bringing it forward. I have occupied with other tings at the moment so I probably will not be able to give this the attention it needs Czarking0 (talk) 21:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delist - Yikes, just yikes. I don't think further comment is needed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delist: major PoV issues. I'm particularly struck by the description of the Gunpowder Plot as a "controversial event". I would also strongly suspect that parts of the article are out of date, especially that about taking ten GCSEs as standard, which is cited to a 2008 source and is definitely not the norm nowadays, even in elite academic private schools. Other prose and MoS issues throughout, which would be a problem at GAN. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Siege of Szigetvár

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Result: I am also not an expert, but I believe the issues have been sufficiently addressed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

buidhe added the {{GAR request}} tag in May, adding the rationale "Article cites sources from the 19th century, and the ref format has grown inconsistent since promotion more than a decade ago. Also, per above, the siege is only a small portion of the article text. The 2019 book specifically about the siege, which should be accessible to TWL users, could be helpful on expanding the content about the article topic." below. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AirshipJungleman29, I'm willing to work on this. What would your expected timeline be? I think 30-40 days will be ok here, wdyt? Matarisvan (talk) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Matarisvan why did you remove [[1]] valuable information? Emperor Maximilian and 80,000 soldiers were encamped in the vicinity of Győr but did not attack the Ottomans to take the pressure off Szigetvár. Paul Lendvai; (2004) The Hungarians: A Thousand Years of Victory in Defeat p. 94-100 Princeton University Press ^[1] This information is very important for the battle because no one wanted to help, and the army was nearby.78.0.239.162 (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@78.0.239.162, this statement along with the source has been added to the article. @AirshipJungleman29, do you think this article passes GAR now? I have removed all pre-1950 sources, converted all refs to sfn, finished biblio formatting and removed cases of MOS:SANDWICH. Matarisvan (talk) 10:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matarisvan, User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors shows numerous errors you might want to look into. Aside from that, what do you think buidhe? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although it's looking better, the citations in the lead are a bad sign—some of the content in the lead/infobox is not in the article and/or lacks any citation. I'd be surprised if there weren't different casualty figures from different sources. (t · c) buidhe 12:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AirshipJungleman29, the HarvErrors should be resolved now. @Buidhe, the casualty figures were cited in the body so I didn't cite them in the lead. I have done so now, could you review the rest of the article? Matarisvan (talk) 16:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are a couple of unsourced notes, if these are fixed I don't oppose keeping it, although I am far from an expert on this area of history and don't feel I can offer a full review. (t · c) buidhe 13:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe, should be addressed now. Perhaps @AirshipJungleman29 can do a full review if needed? Matarisvan (talk) 11:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Scott Special

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very old promotion, back from 2006 when reviewing was just replacing the GAN template with the GA one without comment [2] and last reassessed in 2008. Significant portions of the article are uncited, and the phrase "equal to $339,111 today" is likely already outdated. The article also includes an "as of 2006" statement and multiple citations to self-published railfan pages that don't meet the standards for GA. Disappointingly, even though an entire book was written about this train, it is only in the further reading section and not cited at all. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Key Biscayne

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous uncited statements. The history section stops at 1966 and needs to mention recent events. The lede needs to mention information about the history of the location. Z1720 (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I relied almost exclusively on Blank's book when I started this article 18 years ago. The local library has a non-circulating copy, so I can look in it to provide citations for a lot of things. I may be able to gain access to The Book of Key Biscayne by Jim Woodman, although I suspect Blank used it as a source. Donald Albury 17:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As to recent history. Crandon Park and the Village of Key Biscayne were created in the mid-20th century and the Bill Baggs Cape Florida State Park was created in 1966, and most of the history of Key Biscayne since then has really been about one of those entities and not the island as a whole. There may be a few events that affected the island as a whole, but Hurricane Andrew is the only one I can think of off hand. There may be something to say about how changes to the Rickenbacker Causeway and Crandon Boulevard have affected access to the island, but events on Virginia Key and along the causeway itself are not part of the history of the island. Donald Albury 13:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is probably worth mentioning the incorporation of the eponymous municipality as that seems a major event for the island, and some although not all of the municipal history, as this would be in keeping with the existing text in History which does cover the inhabitants and various demographic and infrastructure developments. I also wonder if there is something more to add regarding sea level rise giving the mentioned low elevation, but at a quick look I couldn't find anything not focused on the municipality. CMD (talk) 12:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, the article mentions the beginning of the housing devekopment that led to the incorporation, but does stop too soon. Some more about the creation of Crandon Park could also be added, comparable to the coverage of the creation of the state park.

A quick Google search found a number of news items focused on the effects of sea level rise on the municipality, more or less ignoring the rest of the island. Google Scholar results are rather sparse on articles about contemporary sea level rise at Key Biscayne.

My todo list keeps growing as I (temporarily) set aside articles I'm working on to deal with the next thing that comes along. Maybe I will get to the library this week to look at the Blank book. Donald Albury 13:35, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sea level rise does seem to be either municipal level or Miami-Dade level, up to your editorial call as to whether and how it could be included in the article. CMD (talk) 13:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added page numbers to a couple of cites, and added cites for what I could find in the Blank book. I also rewrote a couple of small bits after reviewing the Blank book. There are still things I haven't found a source for, and parts of the article should be rewriten. Donald Albury 22:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Albury, do you still intend to improve this article? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: I hope to work more on it sometime, but I don't know when that will be. Don't hold off on any action waiting for me. Donald Albury 00:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alaska Airlines

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article relies excessively on references to primary sources and have several uncited statements. Real4jyy (talk) 02:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Spider-Man

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose delisting the Spider-Man article from "Good Article" status due to several important issues. Many sections lack proper references, and some have no citations at all, which affects the article's reliability. It also needs updates to include recent developments in the Spider-Man franchise. Additionally, the article is too long and would benefit from trimming or splitting into shorter sections. It also contains unnecessary trivia and original research that detract from its quality. For these reasons, I believe the Spider-Man article should be delisted until these problems are fixed. Lililolol (talk) 23:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delist: same concerns as above. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flag of convenience

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Result: Taking into account PI71's comments too, consensus to delist. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is some uncited text, including entire paragraphs. There are lots of sources listed in "Further reading" that should be considered included in the article. Pl71 has stated that the "Port State Control" section is too long with irrelevant information, and other examples of WP:OVERKILL. Z1720 (talk) 16:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kirby's Dream Land

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are uncited statements and paragraphs, particularily in the "Gameplay" section. Z1720 (talk) 01:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delist I am not even sure it passed the criteria when it was listed as a Good Article, or else the criteria were a lot more lax. Either way, it needs a serious revamp to keep being one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delist: The GA "review" appears to be nothing more than this message that simply approved the nomination without providing any details. More than 17 years later, the "Gameplay" section is lacking sources, and the article's quality is not sufficient for a GA. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Onion

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Result: Kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is unsourced information throughout the article, some "Further reading" sources that should be considered for inclusion, and some oversection in the "Uses" section. Z1720 (talk) 16:33, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 I can try to help address some of these concerns so that we can hopefully keep the article as a GA. Is there usually a certain time frame this needs to be done by? Thanks. Eucalyptusmint (talk) 14:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eucalyptusmint: There is no timeline as long as improvements are being made. Feel free to ping me when it is ready for a review. Z1720 (talk) 15:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sounds good, will do. Eucalyptusmint (talk) 19:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glad this is being addressed; I'll lend a hand, and have already asked Cwmhiraeth if she'd like to join in too. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate it! Looks like you fixed most of the noted issues. Eucalyptusmint (talk) 00:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) Unsourced materials: have fixed all the obvious citation needed issues. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2) Further reading: Incorporated the Gripshover journal article into 'History'. Formatted a bit better, and disarmed harv links. We're down to 2 books in the list, which seems reasonable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3) 'Uses' too many subsections: merged. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 - it feels like a GA again, cleaned up as above. Take a look. Chiswick Chap (talk) 03:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick review doesn't bring up any concerns. I'd prefer that there was not a "Further reading" section but it is not a deal breaker. Is WiseGeek a reliable source? (ref 35). Citations in the lead can probably be removed. I removed some duplicate refs in the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further reading - noted, it is not a GA issue. WiseGeek ref replaced. Lead citations removed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 02:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're about complete here really. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bees and toxic chemicals

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Result: Withdrawn Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 22:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some uncited statements and a large use of block quotes that should probably be summarised and reduced/removed. Sources listed in "Further reading" should be incorporated into the article or removed. "Toxic plant honey" suffers from MOS:OVERSECTION and these sections probably need to be expanded. Z1720 (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited claims: Removed or cited all of them.
Block quotes: removed most of them, cut down the rest.
Further reading: deleted the dead ones, ditto for 'External links'. The one remaining item has a list that may be of interest.
Oversection: merged all subsections of 'Toxic honey' to one paragraph; this is quite enough detail for this subtopic. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above has resolved my concerns, I'm fine with this being declared keep. Z1720 (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brain

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Result: Delisted. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 22:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are uncited statements, including almost the entire "Birds" section. At over 9,000 words, WP:TOOBIG recommends splitting off the article; since this is such a big topic, it might not be possible but should probably be considered after a subject-matter expert tries making this more concise. The "Society and culture" section is underdeveloped, with only one line about its use in food and no information about its use in literature or the arts, especially its use as an allegory. Z1720 (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pre-Code Hollywood

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Result: Delisted. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 22:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At over 14,000 words, WP:TOOBIG recommends summarising, splitting and removing article prose. There are also some uncited statements, particularily in the "Home video" section. Z1720 (talk) 19:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Green Lantern (film)

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Result: Closing as no consensus; no prejudice against another GAR being opened with a man-made rationale. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose delisting the Green Lantern film article from "Good Article" status due to several issues. The article is not well-written, with unclear prose, and failure to follow the Manual of Style. It lacks broad coverage, missing important details while including unnecessary information. The reception and production sections are underdeveloped and need significant expansion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lililolol (talk • contribs) 00:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mind outlining a rationale with specific issues to be fixed using your own words, not the vague ramblings of a WP:LLM Lililolol? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:51, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Swarm (roller coaster)

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fails point 2 of the GA criteria (verifiability) - contains original research (marked with citation needed tags currently, I've tried finding sources for these but failed), plus the vast majority of the sources are primary sources or dubiously reliable (such as the Daily Mirror, which is a tabloid with no consensus for reliability). Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 11:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delist – Agreed. Far too much reliance on primary sources, missing needed citations, and isn't even up to modern WP:APARKS standards at this point. The editor responsible for its promotion was a cornerstone of our project nearly 15 years ago in its early days but may have passed on unfortunately. :( --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chemical Bank

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This 2010 GA has 8 citation needed templates; unsourced statements notably include entire paragraphs and parts of the Notable employees and executives section. Some book sources are also missing page numbers. Spinixster (trout me!) 14:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I checked the source for one statement I knew to be incorrect, and the source failed to verify two key aspects of the statement. Added a tag to it. This false statement and non-verified source were present in the article during the GA review 14 years ago. Given the error, I will likely go through and spot check some more sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BR Standard Class 7

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Significant portions of this 2007 promotion are uncited. Standards were different back then, as some of the uncited content present today also lacked citations at the time of promotion. An effort would be required to cite the rest of this article to avoid delisting. Unfortunately, the primary authors of this article are long since retired. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1920 Canton Bulldogs season

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article has several uncited statements and "citation needed" tags from 2020. Z1720 (talk) 23:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lexus LS

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Result: Withdrawn. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 18:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some unsourced statements throughout the article. There are also one- or two- sentence statements that should be merged together more effectively. Z1720 (talk) 15:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will fix. 750 h+ 00:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: i've fixed the unsourced statements and one/two-sentence statements/paragraphs. 750 h+ 01:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@750h+: I added some cn tags. Once these are resolved I don't think I'll have any other concerns with the WP:GA?. Outside of the criteria, I recommend that some images be removed as there are a lot and it is causing some MOS:SANDWICH and other weird formatting. Z1720 (talk) 01:43, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: done, i hope the infobox-sandwiching is fine. 750 h+ 02:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: ? 750 h+ 23:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@750h+: Keep. Sourcing concerns are resolved. Sandwich concerns remain, and I think the only way to solve it is to remove some images. This is not a condition to getting this article to GA status. Z1720 (talk) 00:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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United Nations

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Result: Delisted. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 18:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article has numerous uncited paragraphs, including the entire "Hymn to United Nations" section. At over 9,000 words, WP:TOOBIG suggests that it might be eligible to be trimmed, and the lead (with six paragraphs) might be a good place to start. Z1720 (talk) 07:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pennsylvania Turnpike

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Result: Delisted. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 18:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article has gotten out of hand since 2012 promotion.

WP:TOOBIG concerns, article is 227,901 bytes and needs some trimming.
Lots of cases where several sentences in a row begin with "In (year), blah blah happened." over and over, so a copy edit is needed.
"Service Plaza" sub-header has several one-sentence paragraphs and excessive detail, along with more cases of several sentences in a row beginning with "In (year)".
Had an "in popular culture" section of trivial tangential name-drops, which I snipped out.
External links seem excessive.
PA Highways site tagged as unreliable self-published source.

Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How else are you supposed to write a history section for a road article? They typically announce things at a specific date, even if they had planned to do it a long time before. Same with the service plaza section. Cfeddse (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You vary the sentence structure and length. When literally every sentence begins with "In (year)..." it's boring and clunky and doesn't flow well. It's a basic rule of writing. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Paul Lendvai; (2004) The Hungarians: A Thousand Years of Victory in Defeat p. 94-100 Princeton University Press, ISBN 0691119694

[1] Paul Lendvai; (2004) The Hungarians: A Thousand Years of Victory in Defeat p. 94-100 Princeton University Press, ISBN 0691119694

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