User talk:Valereee/Archive 67

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Hatting

You just hatted an exchange at Talk:Zionism [1], and then this comment came along [2] which responds to a comment in the hatted area. It was inserted after the hatted area. Just bringing it to your attention, as obviously either the Nishidani comment should be included in the hatted area or your hatting should be removed entirely. I assume it was added after the hatted area as an oversight, but I don't think it's appropriate for me to adjust the hatting. Coretheapple (talk) 18:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Coretheapple. Hm, likely an edit conflict. I guess I see the new addition as at least not simple sniping at one another but actually trying to address the conflict? What I was trying to collapse and stop was the 'no I'm not, you are' 'no you are' 'no you are' stuff. I wasn't trying to end the discussion. Valereee (talk) 18:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Well yes, I get that you're trying to remove the sniping, but now Nishidani is responding to a comment by myself that you've hatted and thus rendered invisible. If you don't think that comment should be hatted, you should leave in my comment because that is what he's responding to. Coretheapple (talk) 19:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm referring to this [3]. Also I'm making a comment on Andrevan's sourcing as it relates to the POV issue, and you've hatted it, so which basically nukes it out of the discussion for purposes of determining consensus, Coretheapple (talk) 19:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I've unhatted. Please try to ~~at least pretend you're assuming~~ assume good faith. :D Valereee (talk) 11:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you please elaborate on the last comment? I've made no comments one way or the other on the good faith of other editors. Coretheapple (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Coretheapple, well, for me "I left out that it is needesslly inflammatory verbiage that has no place in these discussions" is kind of inflammatory itself. :)

Please understand I'm not trying to be heavyhanded. I just want everyone to turn down the heat, as the various opinions in this discussion are already pretty passionate. When we're discussing something we really feel strongly about with someone who is disagreeing with us and feels equally as strongly about, it's never useful to escalate so that as well as disagreeing with one another, now we're also upset with each other. We've got a talk page with tens of thousands of words, 15 open discussions, and a couple dozen archives. Valereee (talk) 13:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps. But administrators who are effective in contentious subject areas try hard not to be one-sided. If a person responds to inflammatory language, they don't make gratuitous remarks about the response, and the response only, and say nothing about the inflammatory language that gave rise to that response. Just my two cents. I am "involved" after all. I think you may be trying to be even-handed but it is not coming across that way. Coretheapple (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I sincerely am trying to be even-handed, and I hope you'll bring it up to me when you feel I haven't been. I'm trying to turn down the heat, and as far as I can tell it does seem to be coming down in recent days, whether that's because of or despite my presence. And I apologize that my remarks felt gratuitous, of course that wasn't my intention, but I see that I need to be more careful. Valereee (talk) 13:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to know why that was what was hatted and not the various other bad faith comments. Andre🚐 20:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Spaghetti

Hi, how are you? There's a very important issue on the spaghetti page, if you want to participate; I assure you that I haven't found a single Italian source that mentions "sparghetti" and the term "spargo" ("spargo" is a verb ("io spargo"; [4]); the paragraph I've deleted referred to "spago" ([5], [6]), hence "spaghetti").
See: Talk:Spaghetti#Sparghetti, and [7]. JacktheBrown (talk) 02:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

October music

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