User talk:Schneegl

December 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from James Dobson. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. While you are welcome to add reliably sourced material which praises Dobson to his article, do not replace negative material with positive. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, and non-defamatory criticism of Dobson is welcome. Jclemens (talk) 21:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please help me understrand how I can't post Hugh Hewitt's positive comments about Dr. Dobson -- but somebody can post these from Mel White: Some gay rights activists have expressed fears that Dobson's ultimate goal is to pressure lawmakers into completely outlawing homosexuality and have openly questioned whether he favors reinstituting the Old Testament death penalty for homosexual activity.[51] In an interview with Soulforce, homosexual minister Mel White said, "Right now he just calls us an abomination. But he's warned us that he takes the Bible literally. Does that mean he's just waiting to enforce the execution part? I don't ask that question as an alarmist or an hysteric. I ask that question because it's real."[51] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schneegl (talk • contribs)

The postive comments are not from a reliable source. Specifically, they are from a website run by Focus on the Family, and so are not independent praise for Dobson. If you were to find something that said the same thing in, say, Christianity Today that would be substantially better. James Dobson is a man loved by many, and loathed and feared by many others. The Wikipedia article on him should present him from a neutral point of view by documenting sourced praise and criticism from all sides. Jclemens (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2008

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Thank you for the explanation. I would like to point out, though, that the Mel White quote I referenced above is cited as appearing on soulforce.org, which is run by Mel White. This would seem to me to be the very same situation, and therefore would make the el White quote one that does not come from a reliable source. (talk • contribs)

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but footnote 19 is from the same CitizenLink site -- only the sentiment expressed is negative in that it relays criticism of Dobson. If CitizenLink is not "reliable" when it quotes praise of Dr. Dobson, why is it "reliable" when it quotes controversy surrounding him?

Schneegl (talk • contribs)

AfC notification: Draft:Michael Anthony (religious leader) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Michael Anthony (religious leader). Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 16:58, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Michael Anthony (religious leader) (August 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SwisterTwister was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

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I would not resubmit as there's still not going to be anything establishing both independent notability and substance.

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SwisterTwister talk 20:31, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Michael Anthony (religious leader)

Hello, Schneegl. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Michael Anthony".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Boomer Vial^{Holla! We gonna ball!} 06:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Summit Ministries (September 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Newslinger were:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The paragraph starting with "The decision to cancel..." is not written in a neutral tone. The text "The decision to cancel was criticized in the gay community" is not supported by cited sources. Please cite a reliable source for this text or rewrite it. Also, please review Wikipedia's guideline on tone before rewriting the remainder of the paragraph, especially the text "the suggestion it does was just PR spin".

Also, as advertising is not allowed on Wikipedia, please consider removing the undue detail regarding the "two-week training sessions" offered by the ministry, especially the tuition cost, and summarize the session description more concisely.

Please resubmit the article after addressing these issues. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!

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— Newslinger talk 10:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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AfC notification: Draft:Summit Ministries has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Summit Ministries. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 17:31, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Summit Ministries (November 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by HighKing were:

This submission is not suitable for Wikipedia. Please read 'What Wikipedia is not' for more information.

The submission is still not written from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertisement or soapboxing. There is almost no information available on the organization itself, property owned, structure, etc, and the entire article appears to only concern itself with the "message" and the publications.

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HighKing⁺⁺ 16:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Summit Ministries

Hello, Schneegl. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Summit Ministries".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 09:14, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]