User talk:Rupert1904

Correct order of Argentina honours on Lionel Messi page

Hi. I saw this edit and I was wondering if there is a consensus about the order of international honours. I noticed this, tell me what you think about it. For the club honours we have this order: UEFA Champions League, UEFA Super Cup, FIFA Club World Cup. If you think about it, the UEFA Champions League is equal to Euro/Copa America, the UEFA Super Cup is equal to the Finalissima and FIFA Club World is the equivalent of the FIFA World Cup. So, doesn't it seem appropriate to have a Euro/Copa America, Finalissima, FIFA World Cup order? Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 07:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

The World Cup is not equivalent to the Club World Cup. The Club World Cup is a glorified friendly tournament. The World Cup is the most important trophy in international football and comes first in national team honours. Rupert1904 (talk) 07:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Then why don't we list the UEFA Champions League before La Liga or Copa del Rey? Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 06:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Please look at the honours section in the player template for how honours are organized at both the club and international level. Club is domestic first. National team is international first and then continental trophy. You can see it here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players. Rupert1904 (talk) 10:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. Thank you. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 12:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

Posted this on my page because I keep adding runners up medals that have no rules against them.

You may be blocked from editing without further warning if you continue to engaged in disruptive editing to Wikipedia, as you did at Alfredo Morelos.

You posted this as supposed evidence - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Players

If you actually read it not once does it state you cannot add runners up medals.

Also at the top of the page it states - This page provides a suggested layout for footballer biographies. While nothing is set in stone

So basically it’s you want to have your own way not rules. Glasgowedior (talk) 13:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman:, @Robby.is.on:, do you both mind weighing in here on a couple issues? I have removed league runners-up medals from Alfredo Morelos page and Glasgowedior continues to add them back, saying there is no consensus for league runners-up medals. I believe there is a consensus not to include league runners-up in honours. On Jason Cummings, Glasgowedior has also removed sources from the stats table, saying sources are not needed and that no other player has these. Thanks. Rupert1904 (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about runner-up honours. But stats tables need to be sourced just like any other content in Wikipedia articles. Robby.is.on (talk) 16:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Robby on both points. GiantSnowman 17:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

That’s actually so funny that because you’ve been proven wrong your now trying to scrutinise my other edits. By the way when I said on Jason Cummings that the sources weren’t needed I was referring to the fact every single season has a source you only need one source at the top of the stats not a source for every single season of a players career! It’s also hilarious and pathetic you’ve called it vandalism when no it’s not if you think it’s wrong fair enough but it’s not vandalism honestly mate wind your neck in and it is right I have never seen any other player with sources at every single year of their career! Glasgowedior (talk) 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean proven wrong? Neither person has an opinion one way or another. That certainly doesn't suggest there is consensus that putting runners-up finish in a league is an honour. Also, you make a ton of bold and incorrect claims about sources and not seeing per season sources in player stats tables. It certainly is vandalism to remove sources. What else would you call it? Rupert1904 (talk) 07:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Well you were threatening to get me banned over it and saying it was breaking the rules lots of backtracking now lol also go look up the definition of vandalism before throwing the word out because you clearly don’t know what it means. Was I intentionally trying to ruin a page? No. I was trying to make improvements to the page if you disagree with them then thats fine but it’s not vandalism… Glasgowedior (talk) 12:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

You've just been told by multiple editors to use citations in a stats table and you continue to delete them. You're making disruptive edits, being a vandal, and personally attacking me. These are not the actions of someone trying to make improvements. Rupert1904 (talk) 13:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a citation added to the as of match played section at the top of the career stats your choosing to ignore… Look at other footballers thats all you need adding citations to every single season is not needed your trying to cut down as much as possible on a page not add more to it, this is not vandalism! You are also the one who came after me you started going through my edits and posting on my personal page threatening to have me banned now your crying that your being attacked lol Glasgowedior (talk) 14:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I did not come after you and I didn't personally attack you, as you continue to do with me. Jason Cummings' is on my watchlist so when someone makes such a massive edit to his article, then of course I am going to review it. Row by row citations for stats tables are quite common in football articles and help curious people, editors, and readers of the articles to know that all of these stats are properly sourced. There is no harm to having sources. There is no need for you to remove all the citations just because you don't like it. It's destructive editing. Rupert1904 (talk) 14:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yup I’m sure the fact that I edited Cummings page straight after Morelos has nothing to do with it and you randomly just have him on your watch page also I have literally not said anything personal about you :) Anyway I am bored arguing over it you can keep the citations on his page all I will say is, it is funny that it is so important yet you never added one to his 2024-25 season that I added even though I supposedly vandalised his page doesn’t sound much like a vandal! Glasgowedior (talk) 15:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Was I intentionally trying to ruin a page? No. I was trying to make improvements to the page if you disagree with them then thats fine but it’s not vandalism… That is correct. We should be careful about labelling edits by good-faith editors as vandalism even if they don't seem constructive at first glance. Robby.is.on (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you robby appreciate it I would never vandalise a page I’m not always right but I always try to improve the pages I edit Glasgowedior (talk) 17:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you @Robby.is.on:. Blindly removing citations from an article and then continuously doing it even after multiple editors tell you that sources are necessary is destructive editing and vandalism. Rupert1904 (talk) 21:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

The very first edit on Jason Cummings page you reverted you called it vandalism which is why I reverted it back lmao it’s funny how you try to manipulate the truth to get your own way lol when people can literally see the evidence also your saying about multiple people telling me well multiple people are telling you you are wrong yet you continue to argue haha Glasgowedior (talk) 04:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

“Undid revision 1246150454 by Glasgowedior (talk) Please stop the vandalism. Sources are necessary for stats”

That was the first time you reverted my edit on Jason Cummings page of course I was going to revert it back when you just blatantly called it vandalism when it wasn’t.

“and then continuously doing it even after multiple editors tell you that sources are necessary is destructive editing and vandalism. Rupert1904”

Now the evidence is there you have just lied that it was vandalism because I kept doing it and multiple editors had told me when at this point you hadn’t contacted anybody to ask and it was your first ever revert Glasgowedior (talk) 05:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

It is easy to look at the edit history, even after Robby, Snowman, and myself told you sources are necessary and you responded on this thread, you still removed the citations in the stats table. What more evidence do you need? Don't try to manipulate the facts or pretend that you didn't continuously try to remove the sources after multiple warnings. Rupert1904 (talk) 07:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, you copied this thread and posted it on the talk page for Alfredo Morelos along with your own personal comments trying to prove a point of yours that wasn't even substantiated. That is also vandalism and was done just to intimidate and harass me. Rupert1904 (talk) 07:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Never once said I didn’t revert the edit again in fact I admitted it in the last message lol “ of course I was going to revert it back when you just blatantly called it vandalism when it wasn’t.” Direct quote from my last message it’s you who is manipulating facts your actually embarrassing yourself now. Yup I did post the conversation on the Morelos talk page to show that the honours need to be kept so no one else removed them as you kept vandalising it and removing them (calling it vandalism as that is your definition of vandalism when someone keeps removing something after repeatedly getting told not to like you were on Morelos page) Also again putting that on a talk page is not vandalism anything you don’t like does not make it vandalism lol Glasgowedior (talk) 09:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

You then removed the citations from his stats table for a third time. That is destructive editing and vandalism. And again, not having a consensus to keep runners up finishes in a league does not mean you are right to include them. Rupert1904 (talk) 11:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Also added citations to the top of his career status which you keep continuing to ignore if your saying that having a consensus I bet I could find many people that would agree the way I done it is right just like you have found people who agree with you at the end of the day it is not vandalism… Glasgowedior (talk) 14:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)