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Tech News: 2024-06

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Beta test script

Hi, I've been updating my NAClister script recently. Would you be okay with testing out the beta script and letting me know if you have any issues/improvements? The main change is I added a button for closing discussions in one click, for straightforward "as nom" closures. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: of course!  In progress HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
@Qwerfjkl: thank you so much for this useful script. Feedback:
  • I have this issue with Factotum and User:Nardog/CopySectLink: when the beta script loads first, it prevents WP:XFDC from loading.
  • When quick closing as "merge", I got an error and was told to click "list discussion" manually
  • I would love a button to edit the list of discussions before they get added to WT:CFDW
  • When I initially clicked List discussions, one of the asterisks was not on a new line (which prevents it from turning into a bullet point)
  • Love that there are no more underscores in the discussion link!
Let me know if you need any more help—I am excited for the new version! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:43, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I noticed that. I don't know how XFDCloser loads, and my scripts ' performance with it is variable. I modified how it works in the beta script, but evidently that didn't help (in fact, it might have maken things worse).
  • The quick close button has a bunch of sanity checks because you don't get a chance to edit the output. Can you tell me which discussion this was in particular?
  • I could do that, that shouldn't be too hard.
  • I've noticed this before, but I'm not sure which part of my code causes it. I'll look into it.
  • I'm also planning on adding formatted pasting support, so you could just copy the categories from the discussion and it will convert them to wikitext.
— Qwerfjkltalk 08:08, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
@Qwerfjkl: for point 2, both Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 26#Sports national governing bodies logos and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 26#Category:Roman roads in Arabia and Parthia. Thank you! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 08:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Strange. I've probably made a mistake in my regex somewhere. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Okay, I've done/fixed most of those. I have hopefully fixed the XFDCloser not loading problem (at least for me) by adding the links to the end of the header instead of the start. There was a minor bug in my regex which probably caused the error when quick closing, which I've now fixed. And I've also hopefully sorted out the asterisk not being on a newline issue.
Adding a button to edit the list of discussions will take a bit longer for me to do. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
@Qwerfjkl: working beautifully. Thank you so much! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, I seem to have broken the list discussion button now, but apart from that. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
@Qwerfjkl: it worked for me, at least. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:08, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Fixed it, it was a minor problem with how I added the elements to the header. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Okay, I've added both the paste formatter and editing listed discussions to the beta script. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
@Qwerfjkl: beautiful. I don't know if I will ever get over the elegance of clicking twice to close a discussion and add it to the queue of things to list at WT:CFDW. Thank you again! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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If no issues manifest themselves over the next few days, I'll uodate the main CFDlister script with the changes. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Qwerfjkl, looking forward to it! — HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 1934 German referendum

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Permission to write bio for my 2nd great grandfather from Wikipedians!

Hi Wikipedians! I am excited to be a part of Wikipedia! I have always donated to this people's encyclopedia. I would like to edit and add to my ancestor's bio, Jonathan Baldwin Turner. He was born in 1899 and lived to be 93. Please let me know if this is an issue for you if I do this. It would be my first edit. Many thanks to all of you for your consideration. This would mean so much to our family and related cousins to make this bio more complete in certain areas! Creative Lizzie (talk) 00:31, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

You don't need permission to do something like that—there is no "Wikipedia editorial board", if that makes sense. I do think you have a conflict of interest, so what I would recommend is that you draft your changes at User:Creative Lizzie/sandbox. Let me know when you are ready for me to take a look! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! Actually a Wikipedian suggested this to me. Can you delete it? Gotcha and I will let you know when I think it looks like something. I appreciate the help so much. I will work on it slowly because there is so much reading to find relatable info and citations. One issue for me, like many writers is that there is a voice in this article and it is hard to blend my thoughts with the prior writer but I will try. If I had written it, it would look about the same but with my voice. That is the frustration. There is also a concern as to what are the most important topics. There are so many for this great American. I realize this is an encyclopedia but I would have phrased some of it differently. Creative Lizzie (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
If you want to delete the entire page, just place {{delete my user page}} before everything else on the page. But if you just want to delete parts so you can rewrite them, I would recommend editing with the visual editor (click here to edit your sandbox with the visual editor) and editing it like you would a Google Doc. And remember that you can always click "view history" to see the history of the page, where you can undo your changes if you make a mistake. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your help! This means a lot to me! I so appreciate your effort to guide me through the process. Being that I am practicing, the original will stay in place and viewing the history which is helpful. It probably will take me some time to get it together. Yes, I am a newbie! Creative Lizzie (talk) 04:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

January 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

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Question from Balakumar93j (15:40, 26 January 2024)

Hi. Can I able to create a new page for company on Wikipedia.

Share your tips regarding this. --Balakumar93j (talk) 15:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Balakumar93j: hi! Do you have a conflict of interest regarding the company? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
No. Just interested to learn that. Because in future i had an idea to create a wikipedia page for my blog website Balakumar93j (talk) 11:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Alright, what is the company? To be eligible for an article, it must receive significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject.
I will also note that you would have a conflict of interest regarding your blog website, which means you are strongly discouraged from writing about it. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
website - diversionedge.com Balakumar93j (talk) 16:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
@Balakumar93j: to be eligible for an article on Wikipedia (we call this concept "notability"), the subject of an article must receive significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject). Do you have three reliable sources which have are independent of the subject and contain significant coverage of the subject? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
https://news.google.com/publications/CAAqBwgKMNmrqgww66u3BA?hl=en-IN&gl=IN&ceid=IN%3Aen
https://readwrite.com/how-to-keep-your-mind-calm-in-every-situation/
https://www.otherarticles.com/health/wellness/214622-how-to-know-you-are-stressed.html
https://tealfeed.com/essence-beautiful-game-timeless-football-quotes-pabkq Balakumar93j (talk) 17:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
@Balakumar93j: unfortunately, those sources are not independent of the subject. Do you have sources that were not written in collaboration with Diversion Edge? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
https://techplanet.today/post/stepping-into-growth-quotes-to-inspire-you-to-get-out-of-your-comfort-zone
https://www.motivationallines.com/dwayne-johnson-quotes
https://writeupcafe.com/charlie-chaplin-quotes-on-smile/
Whether any of the sources are okay.
If not means provide tips, how to get it Balakumar93j (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
@Balakumar93j: I must have missed this response. Those sources might be reliable, but they do not have significant coverage of Diversion Edge. Unfortunately, there is no way to resolve this. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 14:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, HouseBlaster,

Category:LGBT people by nationality and sexual orientation showed up as an empty category tonight. It has an CFD tag to this discussion but I don't see this particular category listed as part of the deletion discussion. What do you believe should happen with it? Thanks for your insight. Liz Read! Talk! 01:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

@Liz: hmm. It looks like it was created by Giovanni 0331, who then tagged for CfD a week later. I think because it was not actually discussed, removing the CfD tag and replacing it with a WP:C1 tag is the best way forward. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I was going to close this, but I noticed you closed this earlier CfD. What are your thoughts? — Qwerfjkltalk 19:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: I closed the first CfD as rename because the opposition opposed merging. I am not seeing consensus in the second discussion, but I am seeing opposition to the rename in the first place. Maybe a third relist, and drop a note to WP:DANCE/WP:FILM saying something like this discussion is at an impasse—your input would be very much appreciated? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:34, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Not sure that would do much more than postpone the close, I doubt there'd be any input. But maybe worth trying anyhow.
It seems to me that you misinterpreted the consensus in the previous CfD, given that Marcocapelle has now clarified they're also opposed to the rename. It could be closed as "no consensus; revert to status quo ante"? — Qwerfjkltalk 20:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
@Qwerfjkl: I like that idea; maybe throw in a link to WP:NPASR. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:41, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Done. — Qwerfjkltalk 20:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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Reason for deleting table in Avaaz article

Hi, HouseBlaster. I noticed that you deleted a table providing per-country data about the organization. The justification you cited was WP:UNDUE. Translated to English, you are claiming that the table represents a minority viewpoint within the domain of the article, and gives it too much weight relative to the 'mainstream view'. I don't see how that applies here. What might a legitimate reason be for deleting the table? If there is none, perhaps you should restore it. In the nature of it, it's sure to provide current information about the organization, in some degree of compliance with the update template at the top. :-)

Bn (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Bn: hi! UNDUE is sometimes used as shorthand for undue prominence in an article, which I felt including the table in the lead was. It also did not have any references. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
@HouseBlaster: Interesting. I agree it's topheavy for the lead, but it's not disproportionate for the article. It should be in its own section, and then flag RS/citation rather than UNDUE. The figures must have been published somewhere by the organization, which is not necessarily a RS problem. That would give user DSP2092 some guidance what to do about it rather than just dumping their work. Did you say anything to them? It's a maintenance nightmare for them. They should put an 'as of' date on it. And IMO that is a misunderstanding of WP:UNDUE, which weighs mainstream vs. minority views as part of NPOV. Is it really common practice to use it on structural grounds having nothing to do with NPOV balance? Maybe I should ask about that on the WP:NPOV talk page if I get time from work. Maybe kinda the way the FRINGE guideline was being abused until the nutshell was clarified.
Bn (talk) 11:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
I might be the only one who cites UNDUE in that way :)
Given that it is not something I was able to verify with a quick google search, per WP:V it needs an inline citation to a reliable source before being re-added to the article. If it is in its own section, I have no objection to it being restored alongside a citation. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
It should be restored with a citation needed template, with a ping to user DSP2092. Will you do that? If I do it, it has the appearance of edit warring, and frankly I haven't the time. (See note at the top of my user page.) Thanks! Bn (talk) 19:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I am not willing to restore unsourced content to mainspace, but I would be happy to drop a note to DSP2092. Would that work for you? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Diving organizations

Hi HouseBlaster. I think Category:Diving organizations should have been included in this recent CfD: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_6#Category:Underwater_diving, which you closed - the category description specifies that it relates to underwater diving only. What's the best way to proceed? DH85868993 (talk) 03:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@DH85868993: usually, the best way to proceed would be to file a WP:C2C speedy request. It seems in this instance that Pbsouthwood moved the category unilaterally. Pbsouthwood, next time please use the WP:CFD/S process: when you move a category, there is a yellow banner that says Categories should not be moved without discussion and consensus at either Wikipedia:Categories for discussion or Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 05:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
My apologies, I thought as a speedy criterion applies and it is clearly in the same group as the categories already discussed and cleared for moving, It would be OK to just do it. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Don't sweat it, I've certainly done worse :) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 05:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, HouseBlaster,

Since your closure on one of the proposals was "No consensus", I think you forgot to remove CFD tags from those categories. Just a reminder to do the follow-through after closing a deletion discussion. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 20:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for the note: I am guessing WP:XFDC missed them because they were added to the nomination later. I will de-tag them now :) Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:44, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for listing some categories before deletion. Do you already have a tool for that? If not, there is User:DannyS712/Cat links.js. – Fayenatic London 21:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I use a mix of copy/paste and various regex tools to format everything. That tool looks much easier, thank you so much! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Wallaby5312 (22:52, 20 February 2024)

Hello, I am new to editing in Wikipedia. I would like to create a page that can be published and viewed by anyone who uses Wikipedia. Doesn't look like I was able to create a page as the information is sitting in my sandbox. Thank you for your help. --Wallaby5312 (talk) 22:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Wallaby5312: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Looking at the article, I think it needs some more citations to reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Once you have added some, just add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article, and a reviewer will review the page. Let me know if you have any questions! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Awele Uchidiuno (22:28, 20 February 2024)

Hi HouseBlaster,

I will like to know how I can edit a Wikipedia page and if there are any steps to become a certified editor on Wikipedia.

Thank you. --Awele Uchidiuno (talk) 22:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Awele Uchidiuno: First, hello and welcome! Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit: you are already a certified editor on Wikipedia :)
What articles are you interested in editing? I should be able to give you some suggestions! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! Awele Uchidiuno (talk) 23:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Tony41803 on DigiTimes (16:27, 21 February 2024)

Dear HouseBlaster,

I hope you're doing well. I work at DIGITIMES, and I noticed a small issue with our page name on your platform. It's currently displayed as "DigiTimes," but it should be "DIGITIMES" with capital letters.

Could you please assist us in updating the page name to reflect the correct capitalization? It's important for our brand's consistency and recognition.

Thank you for your help with this matter. Let me know if you need any further information from our end. --Tony41803 (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@Tony41803: hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! Per our Manual of Style, Wikipedia normally uses standard English capitalization for trademark names (CamelCase is an exception), even if they are stylized by the company in capital letters. I have updated the article to reflect this practice. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome HouseBlaster! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:52, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Thank you for the list in the interest of transcribing it all to the page. 71.142.7.131 (talk) 01:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Of course! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Divyasuperhairpieces on Humberto Barbosa (14:54, 22 February 2024)

Hello, How do I remove dead link citations? VIP Magazine. --Divyasuperhairpieces (talk) 14:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@Divyasuperhairpieces: to delete a reference, the easiest way is to edit the article and delete it like you would for any other bit of text. Hope this helps, and let me know if you have any questions! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
@HouseBlaster Thank you very much for the help. Divyasuperhairpieces (talk) 19:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from MamiAdefe (15:44, 23 February 2024)

How do you source the appropriate article for edit? --MamiAdefe (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

@MamiAdefe: I am not sure what you mean. Wikipedia:Citing sources has information about how to cite a source, if that is what you are asking? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:2115 films

Hello. Would like to ask that you consider reversing your decision and keep the category. You mention it can be recreated when "appropriately populated". I don't know what that means. It had one entry, so what you are saying is that Wikipedia should have no categories with one entry. I'd agree for the most part, but I literally do not know the rules: are one entry categories allowed by guidelines or forbidden? Depending on context I would guess. The context for this one is a film premiering in a specific year, 2115. This is similar to Category:2025 films. As well as to several years in the 1800s which include only one film. The category Category:2115 films seems the have been appropriately populated per existing allowable categories, or am I just missing a logical reason (been known to happen)? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: hi! My job as a closer is to reflect consensus, and the consensus in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 12#Category:2115 films was to merge. In particular, future growth of a category was deprecated as a reason to keep a category around. "Appropriately populated" is a know it when you see it term, but generally is understood to be around 5 members. I also discounted the WP:OSE-style arguments regarding 1880s categories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, but why disregard other one-film categories? I don't think reflecting consensus is or can be the total job, closers also (I would think) have to judge for themselves if precedent is being followed or set. They would have to have really good reasons to set precedent. There are thousands of one-item categories, most of them applicable in context, which is why I mentioned and linked some of the 1800s film categories, which allow one-film entries. Why disregard those precedents? Not to be argumentative, but maybe giving a point of view you haven't considered. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
I disregard[ed] other one-film categories because "other stuff exists" is a poor rationale at deletion discussions. If you feel I erred, feel free to request deletion review. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
All well and good, until...you read the next section on that page: WP:OTHERCATSEXIST. Other cats being sexist, I mean, "other categories exist", reminds us that if similar categories exist then the category under discussion should too. Regardless of how many entries. Please have a read of that link, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
I never noticed that it can be read as sexist :) Of course it is a stronger argument than at, say, AfD. But I read that participants had argued that it was different in a noticeable way, namely, it is for the future, not the past. I will also note that the essay is out-of-date: WP:SMALLCAT has been deprecated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, there is Category:2025 films which lists many future films. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no? The only argument I can think of why the 2115 category won't be expanded is that films will no longer be an acceptable form of entertainment in 2115 (and all statues of movie stars will be torn down and thrown into lakes decades earlier, being that lakes seem to be a preferred-destination of cultural sculpture), but that is WP:CRYSTAL. Since the 2115 film 100 Years already exists, is listed in the filmographies of the director (Rodriquez) and star (Malkovich), and tickets have been created and distributed, all that is left is the popcorn (unless popfivecoursemeals are invented). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
I think the participants felt that there is a difference between a well-populated category for 2025 and a single-member category for 2115. Again, you are welcome to take this to WP:DRV if you feel I erred as a closer. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:54, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
(I've just removed the sentence rferencing SMALLCAT.) — Qwerfjkltalk 10:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Divyasuperhairpieces on Axon Sports (16:40, 26 February 2024)

Hello, How do I remove citations from the body of the content? --Divyasuperhairpieces (talk) 16:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Divyasuperhairpieces: hi again! Normally, this should not be done, but if you need to you delete them just like you would any piece of text. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:03, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the help. I tried to remove citations which looks like advertorial content by editing them but now I succesufully removed it. Divyasuperhairpieces (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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The Categorisation Barnstar
Thank you for your hard work on closing CfDs! Qwerfjkltalk 17:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
@Qwerfjkl: It feels cheap to "right back atchya" a barnstar... I will find a reason to give you one! Anyways, thank you for closing 'em, too! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
I got mine a while back. — Qwerfjkltalk 19:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Dear HouseBlaster can I ask you a question? CourageousMarie (talk) 01:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@CourageousMarie: of course! HouseBlaster (he/him) 01:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
What's your opinion on Spider-Man? CourageousMarie (talk) 01:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
@CourageousMarie: I am not a huge fan myself. Do you have any questions about Wikipedia? Our policies say we should keep chit-chat to a minimum :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 01:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Yeah which decade was it that began the history of modern horror films 60s or 70s CourageousMarie (talk) 01:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Im a horror fan CourageousMarie (talk) 01:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Topg1985 (19:37, 9 March 2024)

Hey HouseBlaster,

I hope all is well!

Would it be possible for you to take a quick look at my draft article, Draft:William John Titus Bishop, and advise on whether you think it is ready to be moved?

All my Love,

TopG1985 --Topg1985 (talk) 19:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Topg1985: hi! Do you have two or three independent, reliable sources which cover Bishop in detail? Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi HouseBlaster,
Many thanks for your reply. Yes, I have three such sources.
https://intellifluence.com/blog
https://theplayground.co.uk/listen-to-william-john-titus-bishops-latest-i-dont-remember-you-at-all/
https://theopinionpages.com/2022/10/modern-music-collaboration-influencer-marketing-and-independent-labels/
https://www.cultr.com/news/interview-
william-john-titus-bishop-people-can-expect-to-be-moved-by-my-music/
All my Love,
TopG1985 Topg1985 (talk) 07:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Topg1985, unfortunately I do not believe Bishop qualifies for a Wikipedia article at this time. This is independent of the state of the draft article, meaning that no amount of editing can make Draft:William John Titus Bishop qualify. Here is my assessment of the sources you listed:

Source assessment table: prepared by User:HouseBlaster
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://intellifluence.com/blog/william-john-titus-bishop-influencer-spotlight No An interview with Bishop is not independent of Bishop Yes Yes No
https://theplayground.co.uk/listen-to-william-john-titus-bishops-latest-i-dont-remember-you-at-all/ ? Given that it links to Bishop's social media, I am suspicious that this is truly independent of Bishop ? Does not appear to be reliable (see this discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard) Yes ? Unknown
https://theopinionpages.com/2022/10/modern-music-collaboration-influencer-marketing-and-independent-labels/ No Written by Bishop himself Yes Yes No
https://www.cultr.com/news/interview-william-john-titus-bishop-people-can-expect-to-be-moved-by-my-music/ (note you listed this source twice) No An interview with Bishop is not independent of Bishop Yes Yes No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

To qualify for an article, we need multiple sources that have "yes" ticks in all three rows. There is some advice you might find interesting at Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi HouseBlaster,
Thank you for having a look over the sources. I will add further sources according to the criteria you’ve outlined above.
All my Love,
TopG1985 Topg1985 (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

  • Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
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Oh my god, I am so so sorry if you just got 50 billion pings!! that calls for a {{whale}} on me, for sure. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Doesn't seem like I did :) Thanks again for coordinating this project! HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for quality articles such as 1934 German referendum and Daniel McCaffery, for help at many ends of the project including categories for discussion and articles for deletion and creation, for enlightening and remembering, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2923 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Gerda! :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 18:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Category renaming

Hi! A category move discussion was closed by you, but the category was not moved. Cheers, Constantine 09:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cplakidas. It is listed at WT:CFDW, and will be processed when an admin gets around to it. Sometimes it takes a minute! HouseBlaster (he/him) 18:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
I didn’t know that :) Thanks and cheers! Constantine 16:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Wallaby5312 (03:50, 21 March 2024)

What happened to my work? When I log into this url, everything I wrote is gone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wallaby5312/sandbox --Wallaby5312 (talk) 03:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@Wallaby5312: I have requested that the sandbox be undeleted. HouseBlaster (he/him) 04:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Would it be possible for you to review my draft article: Draft:Santana exmachine. This was previously published a few days ago and had all the appropriate hyperlinks. Then it got deleted. The name Santana Sexmachine has a hyperlink on Drag Race Sverige but when click on, it takes the reader back to the Drag Race Sverige page: Drag Race Sverige. I am a new Wikipedia contributor. Thank you. Wallaby5312 (talk) 04:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Do you have two or three sources which meet all three of the following criteria:
  1. Independent of the subject (interviews and sponsored content are not independent)
  2. Reliable (such as the New York Times or Washington Post)
  3. Contain significant coverage of Santana (this means paragraphs about Santana)
If so, would you be able to share links to them? Thanks, HouseBlaster (he/him) 05:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
Here are the sources I have:
  1. https://www.gscene.com/arts/start-your-engines-for-the-uk-premiere-of-drag-race-sverige/. February 8, 2023.
  2. Article from qx.se announcing DR Sverige Season 1 (https://www.qx.se/noje/filmtvmusik/242520/drag-race-sverige-har-ar-alla-tavlande/)
  3. Interview with Thelindrome recorded April 15, 2020: https://thelindrome.com/podcast/s03e04-santana-sexmachine/
  4. Drag Queens- kulturen: old school vs new school interview with Sverige radio: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6400492, Kristian Pehrsson och Jesper Lindgren. March 30, 2016
Wallaby5312 (talk) 05:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by User:HouseBlaster
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.gscene.com/arts/start-your-engines-for-the-uk-premiere-of-drag-race-sverige/ Yes Yes No Just a "trivial mention" (we need sources with paragraphs about Santana) No
https://www.qx.se/noje/filmtvmusik/242520/drag-race-sverige-har-ar-alla-tavlande/ No Interviews are not independent of the subject Yes Yes No
https://thelindrome.com/podcast/s03e04-santana-sexmachine/ No Interviews are not independent of the subject Yes Yes No
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6400492 No Interviews are not independent of the subject Yes Yes No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

We have zero sources which count towards the general notability guideline. To be considered "wiki-notable", Santana needs to have two or three reliable sources which are independent of the subject and contain significant coverage of Santana. Unfortunately, this means Santana does not qualify for an article at this time, and no amount of editing can change that. Let me know if you have any questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 05:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

What about these sources:
  1. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/a/jlkRQe/drag-race-sverige-stjarnorna-utan-makeup
  2. https://www.siljannews.se/dalarna/dalaartister-med-i-drag-race-sverige-en-helt-fantastisk-upplevelse
  3. https://www.qx.se/samhalle/pride/250904/glamspack-2-0-jag-vill-se-mer/
Wallaby5312 (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
What about this source (comes from Imaa Queen who also appeared on Drag Race Sverige with Santana Sexmachine):
"Here are all the participants in Swedish "Drag Race" https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/tv/a/xgQGgV/morkt-glitter-i-svenska-drag-race 2023-02-06. Archived from the original on 03-14-2023. Retrieved 2023-02-07. Wallaby5312 (talk) 05:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by User:HouseBlaster
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/a/jlkRQe/drag-race-sverige-stjarnorna-utan-makeup Yes Yes No Just a trivial mention No
https://www.siljannews.se/dalarna/dalaartister-med-i-drag-race-sverige-en-helt-fantastisk-upplevelse Yes Yes No Just a trivial mention No
https://www.qx.se/samhalle/pride/250904/glamspack-2-0-jag-vill-se-mer/ Yes Yes No Just a sentence; we need paragraphs No
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/tv/a/xgQGgV/morkt-glitter-i-svenska-drag-race Yes Yes No A few sentences; we need paragraphs No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Unfortunately, none of those sources contain significant coverage. I continue to think that Santana does not qualify for a Wikipedia article. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Query

Hello, HouseBlaster,

Regarding Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 5#Category:Malaysian diaspora by country, I think you meant to Keep Category:Malaysian diaspora by country as well since you stated that Category:Malaysian diaspora in Singapore was to be Kept. If not, could you specify a Merge target? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 16:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz! I was actually investigating this when you left me the message... great minds think alike :) Looking at the discussion, there appears to be consensus for its deletion. Nobody argued for keeping it, but two people (nom and FL, who said Deletion of the parent "by country" can still go ahead) argued for deletion. HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Lapinjärvi article

Hi! About the article Lapinjärvi (municipality). There ARE other municipilities with added ”, Finland” in Category:Cities and towns in Finland, such as Nokia, Finland or Rauma, Finland or Outokumpu, Finland. Only Lapinjärvi is ”(municipality)”. Peltimikko (talk) 03:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Peltimikko:! I think the best way forward at this point would be an WP:RM. HouseBlaster (he/him) 04:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. Peltimikko (talk) 16:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Found it. WP:PLACEDAB. Peltimikko (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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You can't close something as delete unless you are an admin, because you can't delete it. Somebody needs to delete it, and it's been there for a week since your closure. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, QuicoleJR. At CfD, non-admins regularly close things as delete. See WP:NACD: Certain venues (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion and – per the implementation process at WP:CFD/WWikipedia:Categories for discussion) have made an exception to this rule, and allow non-admins to close discussions as delete. It is currently listed at WT:CFDW, where an admin will process it. That page has been backlogged as of late; normally it does not take this long. Let me know if you have any additional questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 01:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
That said, maybe you should consider an RfA, HouseBlaster? — Qwerfjkltalk 12:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words, Qwerfjkl! I am at WP:ORCP right now :)

You should consider running, too... HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I am admittedly not very familiar with CFD. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Don't sweat it! I've certainly done worse :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

CFD

Hello, HouseBlaster,

What makes you think because someone is an atheist writer that they are a writer on atheism? This is like saying because someone is a women writer that they are a writer on women. Or because they are an American writer that they are a writer on America. This makes no sense. Liz Read! Talk! 01:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz! I closed this discussion as rename and purge, not just rename. The scope of the category is changing, because it was the consensus of participants that being an atheist writer is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic. On the other hand, they felt that being a writer who writers about atheism is a defining characteristic. In other words, the result of the discussion was functionally the same as deleting the "atheist writer" tree and creating a "writers on atheism" tree. It just so happens that there is a large deal of overlap between the two, and so repurposing the categories would save time. Let me know if you have further questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 01:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 March 2024

You said that there was consensus to merge and rename but it hasn't happened yet. What should I do? Charles Essie (talk) 08:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Charles Essie! It is currently in the queue at WT:CFDW, where it will be processed by an admin. That page has been backlogged as of late. So, to answer your question: nothing. It will happen once an admin gets around to it :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

CfD backlog

Hi, I'm going to be going skiing for a week, so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to help out at CfD. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I will try to help out as much as I can in the meantime. Have so much fun!! HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Your recent nomination

Thanks for your nomination. You said: "Not sure what to put as a header? Would appreciate it if someone could fix this for me :)". which I did fix. I always try to leave an open thread titled Nominations for just this purpose. If you go to the nomination page you will see the one I leave and the changes to your entry You used "noping" which was great. I then switch it to "user10" which give access to the nominees talk page and history for other editors to possibly second your nomination. After a week or so, I move the nomination to the end of the queue at the Accepted page. Right now, there are about a dozen or so in line. So, your nomination will be awarded in about 3 months. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 06:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from ThePseudoithic on Draft:Bitterle (Painter) (16:43, 28 March 2024)

Hi, when I try to publish this new draft page it wont let me because it says "No stashed content found for 0/700287b6-ebd0-11ee-a96e-5d30b2b92412" What does this mean --ThePseudoithic (talk) 16:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

That sounds like a bug. Does it let you post it in your sandbox? HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from WikiEditGEE on William Morris (09:46, 29 March 2024)

hello. How do I save my edit? --WikiEditGEE (talk) 09:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi WikiEditGEE, and welcome to Wikipedia! To publish your changes, click the blue Publish changes button. Let me know if you have any other questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 13:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hemchandra Jain (18:09, 30 March 2024)

Hello mentor! I just created a draft article for a historical personality that finds very little mention anywhere, but those mentions suggest he did exist and he is an important figure in the history of Jainism (religion). In fact, he also finds mentions in Paul Dundas's book The Jains. How do I make sure that the article hits mainspace and not just stays in draft namespace? --Hemchandra Jain (talk) 18:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hemchandra Jain! To be eligible for an article on Wikipedia, a subject must be considered wiki-notable. To be considered notable, he must have received significant coverage (this means more than "mentions": we need multiple in-depth paragraphs about the subject) in reliable sources (we have a list of sources which are frequently discussed alongside how reliable Wikipedia considers them to be) which are independent of the subject (this means nothing written at the behest of the subject). Do you have two or three such sources? HouseBlaster (he/him) 18:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
They are old scriptural mentions. Sivabhuti finds mentions in Avashyak Bhashya (a 5th century text) and in Paul Dundas's book The Jains and in a few other books as well, so multiple books mention him and the theory. Although less is known about him, but a popular theory as to what caused schism in Jainism considers him a central character and an article on him would make sense for researchers looking for information on him. Hemchandra Jain (talk) 19:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Hemchandra Jain, given that the books only mention him, it does not appear that Sivabhuti is wiki-notable. Unfortunately, this means that Sivabhuti is not eligible for an article on Wikipedia, and no amount of editing can fix that. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
However, the books have an account of events from is life and several old research considers him instrumental in understanding the current state of affairs in Jainism. Is it still not eligible to be an article? Hemchandra Jain (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Hemchandra Jain, it depends on the nature of the books. Are they affiliated with Jainism? If so, they are unlikely to be considered independent and thus are not useful for determining notability. I will note that "important" is not synonymous with "notable". Notability requires significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject (this is considered Wikipedia's "golden rule"). "Important" subjects often receive such coverage, but it is the coverage they receive which makes them notable—not their "importance". HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
All the books are scholarly research on Jainism and its historicity. They are not published by Jains, per say, but Indian and international scholar researching Jainism and other Indic religions. Several books are not focused on Jainism, but are accounts of different perspectives on how sects and religions originated. Some are also reports of the Archaeological Survey of India. Hemchandra Jain (talk) 20:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
If that is the case, the subject is likely to be considered notable. To minimize the chance of a deletion discussion, make sure that such sources are contained in the article (they don't have to be, because notability is assessed by the existence of sources, but the first place people look to check for notability are the sources in the article). Let me know if you have any other questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Understood! I am sorry I am new to Wikipedia so I am just getting used to it. I have written an article with all credible sources (scholarly research or works of historians) about the single account of his life. I don't know if there is a review system on Wikipedia, but could you please review it, if it is not a problem for you, just so I wil know what to do and what not to do in future? :) Hemchandra Jain (talk) 20:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Don't worry! There is a review process (see this page for an introduction to "new page patrol"), but I generally try to avoid officially reviewing articles written by my mentees (to avoid the potential for a conflict of interest), but I am happy to take an unofficial look at the page. Sivabhuti appears to look fairly good, and I have made some minor improvements. One thing that sticks out to me is our guideline on references and punctuation: citations go after punctuation (like this,[1] this;[2] or this.[3] Not like this[1], this[2]; or this[3].). HouseBlaster (he/him) 21:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Understood it completely. I will take care of how punctuations and citations work. It was new for me. I will keep adding credible information as I find any, but first get a review from someone. I understand the reasons why you may not review my articles. Thank you so much for the guidance! Hemchandra Jain (talk) 22:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Of course! Let me know if you have any additional questions. HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Mahammed parvez (17:44, 26 March 2024)

Hello I want create an article and publish it on internet.Iam new to Wikipedia joined recently what should I do --Mahammed parvez (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Mahammed parvez, and welcome to Wikipedia! What topic do you wish to create an article about? HouseBlaster (he/him) 18:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
I Want to create an article of a person my grandfather
I have all the proper references required.He's name is already mentioned in Wikipedia and now I want to create an article and publish live in Wikipedia Mahammed parvez (talk) 08:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@Mahammed parvez: it is strongly discouraged that you do this, per our policy on conflicts of interest. If you want to proceed, do you have two or three reliable sources (we have a not exhaustive list of sources Wikipedia considers reliable) which cover your grandfather in detail (this means multiple paragraphs) and are independent of your grandfather? By "independent", I mean not solicited by friends/family members. HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

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Your remarks regarding Gibraltar

You are reminded that the Gibraltarian category in question became a subcategory of the corresponding UK one only after the Cfm nomination was made. Please make sure your closing remarks are valid before they are put to the record. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 15:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

It is already in the UK category tree: Category:19th-century Anglican church buildings in Gibraltar is already in the tree (just not a direct subcategory) of Category:Churches in the United Kingdom. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
That's by way of Category:Churches in British Overseas Territories which is like a connector category between that for UK and those for the overseas territories. What you said was an oversimplified version of the picture. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 17:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
I certainly could have been more clear, but I don't think that makes my remark not valid. HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. With all respect it'd simply be wrong to label a church in Gibraltar to be in the United Kingdom; and the way the article is structured remotely under a greatgreatgrandparent UK category makes it hardly an entirely valid argument to put the article direct into an in the United Kingdom category. The same would apply for churches in the Falklands. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 18:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
You may be amused to learn that the nominator had avoided the UK category when they enforced the upmerges re. the Falklands. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 18:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
For the record, I added the category within 15 minutes of the nomination. Also the IP is most likely Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Hong Kong geography warrior. Mason (talk) 19:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Also thanks IP for reminding me that I forgot a merge target. [55] Mason (talk) 21:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Indian Paintbrush move

The result was listed as moved per here but it never was. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dissident93: it is listed at WT:CFDW, and will be processed eventually. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Got it. I wasn't aware they needed to be processed unlike an article. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dra FB (20:25, 28 March 2024)

Hi, I created a new page in Sandbox, and I'm not sure what the next step is in order to publish this page. I'd appreciate any help you caqn offer. Many thanks! --Dra FB (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

@Dra FB: the first step is ensuring the topic is wiki-notable. Do you have three reliable sources (you can see a list of sources Wikipedia considers reliable here) which provide significant coverage and are independent of the subject (that is, neither created by the subject nor at the behest of the subject)? HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback! I thought I checked the guidelines to ensure that the topic is wiki-notable, while writing the article. I will double check again. However, if the topic does fulfill the minimum requirements, what else could be the problem? Dra FB (talk) 16:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Do you have two or three such sources? I don't like to proceed before ensuring the topic is wiki-notable, because no amount of editing can "fix" a lack of notability. I don't want to waste our time by giving you a list of things to fix just for the article to get deleted. HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from TheREALflipflopflimflam (17:43, 4 April 2024)

Hi. Apparently you are my 'mentor'.

At the bottom of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riordan_array, there is an abrupt mention of recent book "Very recently there appeared the book[7] which should be a valuable source for further information."

What is policy? Delete it for advertisement? Or perhaps there is a more appropriate place for it (like the 'See also' or 'External links' pages*)?

Question from Shah Of Nowhere (01:28, 7 April 2024)

Hello --Shah Of Nowhere talk! 01:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Shah Of Nowhere (01:29, 7 April 2024)

How to write war related articles? --Shah Of Nowhere talk! 01:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Shah Of Nowhere (01:31, 7 April 2024)

How to install twinkle, I tried but not find it in setting gadget. --Shah Of Nowhere talk! 01:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Shah Of Nowhere, and welcome to Wikipedia! To edit war-related articles, check out the lists at WikiProject Military History. If you want specific suggestions, check out the instructions at User:SuggestBot/Requests to get SuggestBot to send you a list of suggested articles. To install Twinkle, you must be autoconfirmed, which will happen automatically after your account is four days old (you also need at least ten edits total, but you have already done that). Let me know if you have any additional questions, 01:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Desi balak (16:34, 7 April 2024)

हेलो सर नया विकिपीडिया केसे बनाया जा सकता हे? --Desi balak (talk) 16:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Desi balak, नया विकिपीडिया से अगर आपका मतलब एक नई विकी बनना जो बिलकुल इस विकिपीडिया की तरह काम करती हो तो आप अपनी वेबसाइट में मीडियाविकी सॉफ्टवेयर स्थापित कर सकते हैं, इससे आप विकिपीडिया की तरह ही अपनी खुद की एक विकी बना सकते हैं। अगर आपको इस विषय में अधिक जानकारी चाहिए तो आप मेरे वार्ता पृष्ठ पर सन्देश छोड़ सकते हैं। – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Burials by place

I noticed you were the person who nominated burials in Ontario for containerization. This same issue applies to basically all burials in categories, as opposed to burials at categories. I have been trying to go through and make these categories follow containerization. A bunch need to be deleted, such as Burials in Yemen, since they only contain biographical articles not sub-categories. I have begun the work, but help from others would help in move along. I have posted some issues on my talk page.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert: Hi Johnpacklambert. Thank you for this note. I am concerned that you are violating your topic ban from deletion discussions, broadly construed, by stating that something should be deleted. See also WP:PROXYING. I do not want to see you blocked, and as such will be ignoring this message. If possible, would you be able to "thank" me for this edit so I can archive it as soon as you have seen it? (Courtesy link to the diff.) HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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To answer your question

That would be me botching a manual archiving of my talkpage. Appreciate your catching that. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@The Blade of the Northern Lights: I figured it was something like that! Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 03:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

This is regarding the merge of Category:Food deities into Category:Agricultural_deities. The Hindu goddess Annapurna (goddess) is the goddess of food, but is unrelated to Agriculture. Phosop is the goddess of rice, not agriculture in general. Mellona is the goddess of apples. Merge is not appropriate in these situations. Since the discussion is closed, Please suggest on appeal. Redtigerxyz Talk 05:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Redtigerxyz: I will relist the discussion. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from ReddlSKye (19:14, 14 April 2024)

Hi! thanks for mentoring. I was wondering about the nature of wikipedia telling me i have to wait a few minutes to edit due to it suspecting I might be a bot, and the associated ReCaptcha tests it has me performing. Do these just go away after so many edits? can I verify I am human in any other way besides providing an email? --ReddlSKye (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@ReddlSKye: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! After your account has existed for 4 days, you will be "autoconfirmed", at which point you will no longer have to perform a Captcha. (You also to make at least 10 edits to be autoconfirmed, but you already have met that criterion.) HouseBlaster (he/him) 19:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks! That should set me for now! Have a good one. ReddlSKye (talk) 20:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
@ReddlSKye: you too! Again, welcome and let me know if you have any other questions! HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll keep that in mind! ReddlSKye (talk) 20:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from JessZoiti (04:40, 11 April 2024)

Hi HouseBlaster. I've re-written copy for the x wikipedia page. The company has changed significantly since the original copy was created, as has the product offering. I have two questions. 1: because there are so many changes, is it best to submit the copy for review first? And 2: I would like to include the "about us" widget that often appears in the top right (on desktop) of a wikipedia page. How do I go about doing this? With thanks in advance! Jess --JessZoiti (talk) 04:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi JessZoiti, and welcome to Wikipedia! First, I have to ask are you being paid to edit Wikipedia and/or promote GLX Digital? If so, you are required by the Terms of Use to disclose the conflict of interest (see the paid editor disclosure instructions for information about how to do this).

I am not sure what you mean by the "about us" widget. Would you be able to point to a page with the "about us" widget, so I can see what you are talking about? HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

hi @HouseBlaster. Yes, I have an affiliation with the company. I'll check out the paid editor disclosure instructions today before updating and editing the copy. Once I've disclosed the conflict of interest, am I able to simply head into the page and edit it, or should I send copy for review first?
Regarding the "about us" widget, I'm referring t the infobox that appears at the top of many pages. As an example, see the IONQ wikipedia page. (IonQ)
Thanks! Looking forward to your responses. JessZoiti (talk) 00:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi JessZoiti. First, you should upload your changes to your sandbox. I have gone ahead and copied the current version of the article into your sandbox, so you can make the changes you need. From your sandbox in edit mode, you should be able to click on the very small infobox in the right corner, and from there you should be able to edit it to include all the relevant information. Then, you should follow the instructions at the Edit Request Wizard to request an independent editor review the changes. You can delete the "What I think should be changed", "Why it should be changed", and "References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)" bullet points that will pop up and replace them with something "please sync with my sandbox, because [reason your version is better / list of general changes you made / etc.]". To include an infobox, simply include one in your sandbox version of the article. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 01:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you @HouseBlaster! I'll give it a go. JessZoiti (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Another query @HouseBlaster, I'm trying to upload a logo to the infobox. The instructions ask users to "Upload a wordmark/logo graphic using the organization logo upload form". Where do I find this form, please? Again, thanks for your help. JessZoiti (talk) 03:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Another query @HouseBlaster, I'm trying to upload a logo to the infobox. The instructions ask users to "Upload a wordmark/logo graphic using the organization logo upload form". Where do I find this form, please? Again, thanks for your help. JessZoiti (talk) 03:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@JessZoiti: do you have a link to the logo? I can upload it for you, because you need to have made at least ten edits before you are able to upload images. HouseBlaster (he/him) 03:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I also have to ask you to complete the steps at the paid editor disclosure before proceeding any further. This is a requirement under the Terms of Use for Wikipedia. HouseBlaster (he/him) 03:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Sorry @HouseBlaster! I was going to publish the disclaimer once I'd wrapped my head around how to edit. Apologies. All done now! How do I send you the link to the logo? Thank you. JessZoiti (talk) 03:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
JessZoiti, don't worry! As long as you did it . Just paste the link to a webpage with the logo (e.g. the company website) here and tell me which thing is actually the logo. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 03:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
https://www.glxdigital.com/
Thank you! Legend. Apologies for being such a rookie! The logo is the GLX Digital logo in the top left. JessZoiti (talk) 03:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
JessZoiti, uploaded at File:GLX Digital logo.svg. HouseBlaster (he/him) 03:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@HouseBlaster thank you. JessZoiti (talk) 03:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@HouseBlaster thank you! JessZoiti (talk) 04:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@JessZoiti: just to let you know, I am heading to bed soon, so I won't be able to respond until the morning (local time). If you need more urgent help, feel free to ask at the Teahouse, a general-purpose area for newbies to ask questions. Of course, if your question can wait, I will be back tomorrow! HouseBlaster (he/him) 04:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I hope you slept well @HouseBlaster! Hopefully one last question. I'm concerned my changes in the sandbox aren't saving. There is no 'save changes' button, only 'review changes' and 'publish changes'. If I hit publish, will the changes only be reflected in the sandbox environment, or will they update the actual company page in Wikipedia? JessZoiti (talk) 05:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
JessZoiti, you should click "Publish changes". It will affect the sandbox environment. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@HouseBlaster thank you! JessZoiti (talk) 00:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from ReddlSKye (12:55, 18 April 2024)

Hi again Mentor. I'd like to touch back on the "Autoconfirm" thing. I've been editing with my account for 5 days, yet I have no access to edit any articles with that prerequisite, and, more importantly to me, I'm still being pelted with ReCaptchas and "can't do this action too many times, please wait" messages. Can you give me any advice as to why this is happening? I also, as you noted earlier, have more than 10 edits to my account.

Thanks, and have a good one! --ReddlSKye (talk) 12:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@ReddlSKye: hi again! The software is looking for exactly four days – in other words, it looks for 96 hours. Your account was created at 17:38 UTC, and it is currently 13:02 UTC. You will be autoconfirmed in 4.5 hours. Let me know if you have any other questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 13:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Oh! Thanks for looking into that for me! "over the span of 5 days" and "91.5 total hours" are two completely different things, thanks for telling me how the system clock reads stuff.
Again, thank you, and have a good one! ReddlSKye (talk) 13:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
@ReddlSKye: of course, and you too :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 13:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment on the latest citation for Justin Morrell

Hello HouseBlaster,

A recent citation for Justin Morrill in the Turner bio has gotten my attention. Nowhere in the bio is there mention of Turner being the "father of the Land grant system". Earlier in helping to create the bio for Wikipedia, I mentioned all the letters asking for Jonathan Baldwin's help and creating an educational system in the 1830's,1840's onward and then he gave a speech about the plan for industrial colleges in 1851. There's a lot of evidence to show that this man was an early voice for the land grant and so recognized by the majority of citations and reading I did for the past two months. This is evident with the numbers of citations throughout the bio. I see that it is not necessary to add a citation calling Justin Murrell, the father of the land grant system. So to give Justin credit, and indeed, he was a great man, a reference like this one:

  • Parker, William B. (1971). The Life and Public Services of Justin Smith Morrill. New York: Da Capo Press. 378 pp.

would be more appropriate. I consider Justin Morrell to be the father of the legislation for the grant system. Definitely heard the voices in Illinois that were loud and strong about the grant system. He did not do this totally on his own other than adapt. A plan that was probably laid out by Turner. whatever the case, I would like this citation removed, and the other one put in this place, which describes Morrill's life and political journey! This particular citation is much more neutral and appropriate to be put in Jonathan Baldwin Turner's article! Thank you for your understanding on this, and you have said that Wikipedia does its best to remain neutral. Here's an opportunity for you to balance the scales again! I will always be looking into the bio to see what's been added!

Thank you for your consideration!

Creative Lizzie Creative Lizzie (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Creative Lizzie: the current citation is to a peer-reviewed journal. I would be happy to add an additional citation to that sentence, but I see no reason to remove a citation just because it is critical of Turner's contribution to the land grant system. Articles are supposed to give the whole story, not the story which paints the subject in the best light. HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I really find this unreasonable when you have taken the history out that supports Jonathan Baldwin Turner being the father of the land grant system and keep this one link added. You will find that the majority of the Internet agrees with me about the title. So I couldn't make a comment about Jonathan being considered the father of the Land Grant System but yet you have added a citation, making Morrill the father of the land system. I think I would've been fine with that if you had clearly stated that JBT was also called the father of the Land Grant System. After all, he gave a speech in 1851 which clearly laid out the idea, continue to be the voice of idea long before Morrell was in the picture. The majority of the citations or information out there clearly points to a lot of views around the country stating JBT was the father of the LGS. I can see you adding another view but only if it was clearly stated in JBT's bio. So, seeing this I should be able to put a citation in by Jonathan Baldwin Turner in the Morrill bio that shows Jonathan Baldwin Turner has been known as the father of the Land grant system. To me, it makes perfect sense and is perfectly neutral. As you have just said that it's important to give the whole story and information for both sides. Right? Creative Lizzie (talk) 18:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Should I make a list of writers around the country who say Turner is the father of the land grant system. Also, I would like to put in a citation for Turner in the Morrill. What goes around comes around in this situation! (Eddie Stone, 1974) Creative Lizzie (talk) 18:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
This is an article for someone in Oregon who wrote a good summary of what I think is has some truth...https://cropandsoil.oregonstate.edu/sites/agscid7/files/land-grant_0.pdf Creative Lizzie (talk) 18:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
It seems like many of the higher education writers or colleges are definitely more in support of Jonathan Baldwin Turner. Both of the men, Morrell and Turner were stars at the time however, Morrill came from money, and that is a much easier way to go than coming up from a rocky farm. That may not have anything to do with anything, but Lincoln was the same way. I think most educators see Jonathan more positively and truthfully in the view of the land grant system. There are two views for me is that Justin Morrill had to work very hard getting the bills through Congress and is the Father of the Land Grant Legislation. At that time, Turner had Lincoln's ear and was lobbying the Land grant issue long before Morrill presented the bill. It is also said that Turner heavily influenced Lincoln to be an abolitionist because he wasn't an abolitionist from the start. He was probably trying to find middle ground on slavery. A lot of what I said, is supported by citations. Creative Lizzie (talk) 19:05, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
@Creative Lizzie: You should not make a list of writers, because that would be original research. You are welcome to suggest a source be added to the article on Morrill. You should not add it personally, because you have a clear conflict of interest. HouseBlaster (he/him) 18:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Once again, just the fact, you added Morrill as a father of the land grant system with this citation in the Turner bio is a ? I feel a lopsided thinking on this. Also in the Morrill bio, there is no mention of him being the father of the Land grant system in his bio. So put in a citation like this with that title is a point of view. Also, there is no mention of Jonathan Baldwin Turner's lobbying for the industrial land grant schools before even probably heard of it. Neutrality is a double edge sword.
I will make citation suggestions for the land grant act with Turner being the lobbyist and send them to you. Turner actually went beyond the lobbying, speeches and wrote a plan for the grant system put it down on paper.
I see these things as a historian, and not necessarily an ancestor. Yet I am happy the bio in there just trying to see how you balance truth. Creative Lizzie (talk) 19:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
However, if I can eventually get the boulder photo in the bio that will help the balance. Creative Lizzie (talk) 19:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
This is book that clearly gives Turner credit for the lobby and formulation of the plan. Should be placed by the land grant act in Morrill's bio. Sadly JBT is not mentioned at all and there is too much complete credit given to Morrill.
https://archive.org/stream/originoflandgran00jame/originoflandgran00jame_djvu.txt Creative Lizzie (talk) 19:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
https://cropandsoil.oregonstate.edu/sites/agscid7/files/land-grant_0.pdf
https://www.lib.niu.edu/1998/iht519842.html
This one is in the Library of Congress----can't get better than this as a citation!can't get better than this as a citation!https://www.loc.gov/item/11001828/ Creative Lizzie (talk) 19:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Creative Lizzie: there is no requirement that sources be unbiased. In fact, our policy says reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. We are not going to add a citation to Justin S. Morrill just because a "biased" source is in Jonathan Baldwin Turner. That is not how this works.

I am going to be blunt. When I became a mentor, I signed up to answer questions about how Wikipedia works. I did not volunteer to pour over sources on your behalf, because you did not follow the conflict of interest guidelines and did not use the sandbox. I did not volunteer to determine who actually deserved credit for the LGS. I did not volunteer for spending hours of rechecking citations created by an editor with a conflict of interest. I say this not to make you feel bad. I am just saying that before you accuse me of being unreasonable, you should consider how much I have done to assist you in getting this article along. I have enjoyed doing much of the work we have done together. But it stops being enjoyable when someone with a conflict of interest decides that an article is biased because of a single citation. You are throwing all these citations at me, trying to see which citations "stick". I have been extraordinarily patient with you, but I am not required to satisfy you with my answer. HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you have been extraordinarily kind and patient ........ I do want you to know that. I have become too much of a perfectionist and this is why I am backing out for now. I understand how you feel about this because after all, you are the editor and have to adhere to Wikipedia rules and your own personal opinions. I am tough and I know it. I wonder where I got that from? Once again, I am grateful to have the bio up and so thank you for all of your energy with me. There will be no more citation balls thrown! I am out of the ballpark for now. Happy hitting lots of home runs! Creative Lizzie (talk) 16:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Damian Garth Brown (02:59, 19 April 2024)

Hello, How do I add pictures/images to the page? --Damian Garth Brown (talk) 02:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Damian Garth Brown: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! What encyclopedia article do you want to add an image to? I will not that we are not a place to put a resume, so in general pages like your current user page are frowned upon. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 13:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Transgender genocide

You closed as delete but it still hasn't been deleted. (t · c) buidhe 18:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Buidhe: hi! It is currently listed at WT:CFDW, where an admin will process it eventually. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 20:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Where is the appropriate talk page for me to comment on the decision to rename autistic wikipedians to wikipedians with autism

Uchiha Itachi 25 (talk) 23:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Uchiha Itachi 25: depends what you want to say. If you just have general thoughts about the rename, you should probably keep them to yourself (per WP:NOTBLOG). If you think I misjudged the consensus in the discussion, you can leave a comment here (i.e. on my talk page), and I will consider your objection. If you are unsatisfied with my response, you can open a thread at deletion review. Alternatively, you may also place a request at WP:AN to ask an administrator to overturn my closure if you feel it was wildly off-base (emphasis on the "wildly" part: I sincerely doubt an admin will be willing to overturn my close without discussion, but it is an option you have. I have listed it for the sake of completeness). If no other place seems appropriate, you can leave a comment at Category talk:Autistic Wikipedians. (I will also note that the rename was from Category:Wikipedians with autism to Category:Autistic Wikipedians, not the other way around.) HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the thorough reply, and especially for correcting me with regard to the nature of the rename itself, as my misunderstanding of that was the entire root of my concern. Uchiha Itachi 25 (talk) 04:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Partial undoing of a Cfd

Hey there. I came here because I realized made a slight mistake and since you closed the discussion I thought I should as you. In this discussion here about the Cleveland Guardian categories, I didn't mean to include the owners category as, even if the only the name changes, personnel category remains seperate for all team names regardless. So how do I undo the redirect there? Only that one, mind you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Omnis Scientia: If I understand your question correctly, you want to reverse the direction of the redirect? If so, opening a fresh CfD and explaining your reasoning is the best way forward. Thanks, HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Just one of them. It was an oversight on my part. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I would nominate just the one category for renaming. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 19:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. Much appreciated. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work on Divine Child

Just wanted to send a message of thanks for your work on the Divine Child High School page. I am an alumni from 2016, and this is my service in giving back to the school that served me well. That is my own experience, as I know others may differ.

Best,

PSYCHREL PSYCHREL (talk) 02:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@PSYCHREL: I can't say I recall working on the page: it appears I did some small edits which used automated tools over a year ago. You are quite welcome, though!

As much as it pains me to say this, if you went to the school, you probably shouldn't be editing the page. I fully realize the fact that you came here to say thanks, so I realize the irony in this request. However, you have a conflict of interest, and as such are discouraged from making any changes to the page. See our plain and simple guide to conflicts of interest for more information. Let me know if you have any questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 02:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Please hold on. Melchior Carneiro was never "Bishop of Macau". 219.77.182.250 (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I have removed the category. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

He was a bishop who worked in Macau but he was not Bishop of Macau. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 16:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to adjust the categorization of the article about him. HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Question from XeVierTech (12:03, 29 April 2024)

When can I remove citation needed info box in page? I added citations that were needed on the HarmonyOS Sans page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS_Sans#) --XeVierTech (talk) 12:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@XeVierTech: you can learn about removing the box at Help:Maintenance template removal. In the VisualEditor, you should be able to click on the box and then click backspace. Let me know if you have any questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from XeVierTech (12:20, 29 April 2024)

Can you check my edits history and tell me if I made any mistakes? --XeVierTech (talk) 12:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@XeVierTech: looks good to me! The only thing I would say is that this edit is probably not appropriate: you removed the maintenance tags without changing much of the article. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
What do you suggest I should do? XeVierTech (talk) 12:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@XeVierTech: I would simply re-add the maintenance banners. One other thing I missed: please do not remove the "use mdy dates", "use Canadian English", etc. tags from articles. Unlike the "Citation needed" banner, they are permanent tags which should stay on the article so all editors know what style of English the article uses. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Oh okay I'm sorry XeVierTech (talk) 12:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@XeVierTech: don't worry! It is impossible to "break" Wikipedia, and we all make mistakes. HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Okay it should be fixed now. Let me know if I did It good. So I won't make mistakes in the future XeVierTech (talk) 12:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@XeVierTech: you did it correctly :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. That's all for now I'll talk here later if I have any more questions XeVierTech (talk) 12:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from XeVierTech (14:30, 29 April 2024)

How can I add an image into a wiki page? I want it to be under the logo showing homescreen --XeVierTech (talk) 14:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@XeVierTech: which page do you want to add an image to? HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS here under the logo as screenshot depicting harmonyOS 4.2 GUI look XeVierTech (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@XeVierTech: the first thing you would need to do is take a screenshot, making sure there is no non-standard themes, third-party applications, or personally identifiable information (quote taken from the documentation of the "infobox"). Then, you should upload the image to a file-sharing service such as Flickr or Imgur, and send me the link. (You would normally upload the image directly to Wikipedia, but accounts must be at least four days old to upload images.) Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
i uploaded it to wikimedia XeVierTech (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HarmonyOS_4.2_Home_screen.jpg XeVierTech (talk) 14:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@XeVierTech: Images are super confusing. Wikimedia Commons is for free content images only, which means they have to be available under terms which permit copying, modifying, and even selling copies by anyone. However, the screenshot you uploaded is of proprietary software, which means it is not free content. Therefore, it needs to be uploaded to Wikipedia itself. (Don't worry if this makes no sense; it takes a while to get the hang of files on Wikipedia!) I filed a request with an admin to move the file from Commons to the English Wikipedia (thanks Explicit!), and have  added the image to the article. HouseBlaster (he/him) 14:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Will you keep me updated on that topic? XeVierTech (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@XeVierTech: It should be all resolved now, but I will be sure to tell you of any updates :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
I mean, when I can add that picture to HarmonyOS page XeVierTech (talk) 15:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@XeVierTech: I already added it. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
thank you I'll try to learn from your edit on what should I do when adding images XeVierTech (talk) 15:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from XeVierTech (17:22, 29 April 2024)

How can I upload a picture to wikipedia I the future? --XeVierTech (talk) 17:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@XeVierTech: you need to have an account which is four days old to upload images to Wikipedia. Once you do, see the file upload wizard for instructions. HouseBlaster (he/him) 17:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Our friend

apologies for the delay on this. I was offline a few days. Responding here since they seem to have settled and I don't want to stir them back up, but let me know if action is needed. Thanks for flagging. Star Mississippi 01:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: Don't worry. Seems to have sorted itself :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 01:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from AvisarTeam (10:40, 4 May 2024)

Hi, Could you please help me update the page of Tzvi Avisar. I need to add his first name Tziki so it suppose to be Tziki Tzvi Avisar. Thanks --AvisarTeam (talk) 10:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@AvisarTeam: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! First, I would recommend you rename your account. "AvisarTeam" sounds like it represents a group of people, but shared accounts are strictly prohibited on Wikipedia. To do so, you can file a request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple.

Second, do you have a conflict of interest regarding Avisar? If so, you should disclose the connection for transparency.

With that out of the way, to move a page, see requested moves. However, we don't always use someone's full name as the page title. (For instance, we use Joe Biden, not Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.) We use the name most common in reliable sources. Do you have evidence that Avisar is usually called by his full name in reliable sources? Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Blosum62 (19:45, 5 May 2024)

Hi HouseBlaster and thanks for dedicating your time to mentoring! Recently, I've worked on a suggested article to add some sources, but it turns out that one of the sections is a verbatim copy pasting from one of the references' introduction. What should we do in this scenario? --Blosum62 (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blosum62: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Which article are you talking about? In general, you should rephrase the content in your own words if possible, or else remove it outright. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 19:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
It's Peptide Loading Complex. Even though I'm a molecular biologist, this is an unknown protein complex to me, so it would take a lot of effort. What is the community opinion on using of ChatGPT for paraphrasing? I know it would take just 10-15 minutes to make it rewrite it and then check how it did. I'm fully aware that it's a malpractice to write the whole articles using LLMs, but in this case it would help tremendously. Blosum62 (talk) 11:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
@Blosum62: if you disclose you used ChatGPT (you can use the edit summary to do this), personally double-check the entire thing for factual accuracy, and ensure what is generated by ChatGPT is not plagiarizing a different source, that is okay. HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Nice! Will do! I already came up with a way to shorten the Structure section. Thanks! Blosum62 (talk) 11:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
@Blosum62: of course, and happy editing :) HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Demsuz (16:40, 5 May 2024)

Hello! I spelled this artist’s name wrong Kretzschmar not Kretzchmar and now am trying to put his references from books. I’m having an issue with formatting. --Demsuz (talk) 16:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Demsuz: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I have gone ahead and renamed the page for you. I am not sure exactly what your question is regarding formatting. What issue are you having with formatting? HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I have this link https://iorr.org/albums/undercover-2.pdf
and would like to learn how to format it to show his artwork is mentioned in this book and others. Demsuz (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Demsuz: I am afraid I am not sure exactly what you mean. Do you want to format it as a citation? If so, you can edit the draft using the VisualEditor and click the "cite" button.

I also have to ask: do you have a conflict of interest regarding Kretzschmar? You might have a conflict of interest if you know him personally or are being paid to write about him. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I was asking how to quote a book passage. I’ll discuss it in the talk page.
I feel the artists who created Some Girls iconic album cover art have taken a direction into the realm of museum worthy art. Same for his partner who created the art for Physical Graffiti. Demsuz (talk) 22:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
@Demsuz: with all due respect, would you be able to answer my question: do you have a conflict of interest regarding Kretzschmar? You might have a conflict of interest if you know him personally or are being paid to write about him. Thanks, HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
I am not paid, not related, nor was I asked to edit here. I would like help in saving my edits so they meet the criteria and don’t get lost. I am also not able to properly list the books and just wanted to get it started so it could be well researched by others. Demsuz (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Demsuz: happy to hear you are a volunteer; that generally makes things much easier around here :)

To make sure your work does not go to waste, the number one thing we need to be sure of is whether Kretzschmar is wiki-notable. Wiki-notability has nothing to do with "fame" or "importance" – it is entirely a measure of coverage in independent, reliable sources. Do you have two or three reliable sources (we have a non-exhaustive list of source Wikipedia considers reliable/unreliable) which are independent of Kretzschmar (things like interviews or press releases are not independent) which cover Kretzschmar in detail? Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

If I quote from a book, is that allowed? Can you tell me if I researched enough to get this biography started? Demsuz (talk) 23:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Quoting is allowed, but it is generally better writing to paraphrase (taking care to avoid close paraphrasing). If you do quote, make sure you put the quote inside quotation marks and cite the book. As for if you did enough research, it looks like you have a fairly well-written article. However, I am not seeing enough coverage to indicate wiki-notability. Do you have two or three sources which are reliable (we have a non-exhaustive list of source Wikipedia considers reliable/unreliable), independent of Kretzschmar (things like interviews or press releases are not independent), and cover Kretzschmar in detail? HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your support and explanation. I cannot find him in news article. His name is credited on linear notes if there’s a question his art is widely known.
https://www.analogplanet.com/content/rolling-stones-announce-tatoo-you-40th-anniversary-reissue Demsuz (talk) 02:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
@Demsuz: unfortunately, if you cannot find sources such as news articles, Kretzschmar does not qualify for an article and no amount of editing can fix this. Things qualify for articles on Wikipedia solely through significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. How well-known something is does not matter. HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
I understand you are right altho I found he was in the AOL and Yahoo news fairly recently. I can move my information to the pages where he’s already mentioned if preferred. He is an internationally known artist with an enviable career. He made his most iconic art 30-40 years ago. Can you please teach me how to fix one book link? I have found 30 references and 1 won’t load properly. It’s easy to spot. Demsuz (talk) 12:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Demsuz: I can try, though I am afraid I still don't understand what you mean by "1 won't load properly". What is the URL in question?

I will also note you should not sign your posts in the draft article. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 12:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I understand you are right altho he was known best in a time before articles were searchable. I found a few archives. It’s this link in the third paragraph. I can’t seem to fix it. https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Rolling_Stones_All_the_Songs/g5eTCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Hubert+kretzschmar&pg=PT968&printsec=frontcover Demsuz (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
@Demsuz: what is the title and author of the book are you trying to cite? The link is not working for me either, but I have a few tricks I can use to locate a working link from the title and author. HouseBlaster (he/him) 15:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
It looks like you fixed it. Thank you. I just found a good quote from there. “Hubert Kretzschmar (as was that of Tattoo You). The visuals created by Corriston and Kretzschmar are resolutely pop art. A naked woman whose face cannot be properly made out stands upright in a provocative pose before a blue lamé drape ...” https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Rolling_Stones_All_the_Songs/g5eTCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Hubert%20kretzschmar%20 Demsuz (talk) 18:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Message from Creative Lizzie

Hello, House Blaster and Wikipedians!

I hope all is well with you and you are starting off to a good week

I was just looking the Morrill article over and was so impressed with this man.

He certainly made America a better place! So I was starting to look at his citations

to read a bit more about him and 4 citations went nowhere. I think the citations for him

need to be redone. Some could have been archived. I'm sure there is somebody out

here who would like to do that. This amazing American deserves the best support!!

Also, I still would like to see that one sentence related to Jonathan Baldwin Turner on the Morrill bio before the Land Grant info. Turner was another great American! Turner's early introduction of the land grant system on paper should be connected to Morrill. It was there long before Morrill presented his bill. There really is a lot of evidence that Turner was on the road speaking about the importance of the plan for Industrial colleges long before the bill was created and presented.  There were several letters directed to Turner about how to set up an educational system in multi cities/states early on even in the 1840's. There is proof of this. More proof shows that with the Plan for an Industrial University document itself and the Granville convention. There was one sentence earlier in the Wikipedia Morrill bio that was relevant but not great about Turner and it was removed. I think Turner should have some reference in the Morrill bio and Land Grant Bill article itself. This is just history and the truth! It can all be verified. This does not have bias, but it's just truth.

We mustn't take sides with these two great men who added so much to our educational system. There are so many that came before us who gave us what we have today. Often changes were made by the effort of many people and their voices.

It would be nice to connect words with truth, honesty, other relationships and history. That is what I would like to see as a reader of an encyclopedic work. I believe a lot of things in our history are so interconnected to other people, times, events. For example, the snowball of the American Revolution started roling slowly but surely and eventually ended up in American freedom. This was not one man but many people who made this possible.

Probably in most cases a lot of bills had some kind of public support or lack of support early on in the presentation. Besides neutrality, honestly it would be nice to speak about what led up to this Morrill Land Grant bill. The bill had to be representative of the people and Jonathan Baldwin Turner was the very strong voice at the speaking at various towns/cities in Illinois, and speaking about his passions in a Plan for the Industrial Land Grant System. This is verified by the document itself and the record of the Granville Convention for Farmers.

Turner was recorded as talking with Lincoln after his connection at the Green family farm when he was a farm hand. Turner actually gave him an English book and we all know how Lincoln loved books!! That is where the friendship began and it was noted that Turner had dinner with Lincoln before he was shot at the theater.

The Land Grant bill was supposed to be presented by Stephen Douglas who passed away then fortunately Morrill then took over the presentation of the bill. So Morrill actually inherited the bill. This is not taking anything away from Morrill, who gave his heart to the passing of the Land Grant Bill!! The synthesis is that it is likely there was a lot of earlier support for the idea in Illinois but the bill had to be just right to pass!

Thank you for your time reading this, House Blaster and Wikipedians! Please get someone to take care of those citations and review them for Morrill. I appreciate your consideration of all these thoughts and thank you all for your time!

Creative Lizzie Creative Lizzie (talk) 23:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Creative Lizzie! Thank you for writing to my talk page instead of via email. In general, I volunteer to help newbies edit Wikipedia, but I don't really volunteer to take requests from newbies to edit Wikipedia on their behalf. I have added archives to the various citations in the article, which will hopefully fix the issues. If you want to write a bit for Justin S. Morrill (or any article related to the Land Grant System), you should use the Edit Request Wizard (an interactive form to make edit requests). You should click the "conflict of interest" button, and make sure you disclose that you are a descendant of Jonathan Baldwin Turner in the edit request. Let me know if you have any questions, HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, House Blaster!
Thank you for your info and support with this. I assume that I will be able to use my writing in the request from this talk page? Yes, I will be sure and inform them as to who I am as well as a longtime teacher of 40 years. As you said before conflict of interest is not always an issue when you have good editors.:)
I'm glad you have the archives for the citations. I do think the citations should be checked out from top to bottom. I just caught this by accident wanted to learn more about his life.
All the best,
CL Creative Lizzie (talk) 23:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
@Creative Lizzie: You should absolutely feel free to borrow what you wrote here, though you probably want to keep your requests on the shorter side: there are literally hundreds of conflict of interest edit requests, and easier ones are generally reviewed earlier. By "easier", I mean incremental changes with concise rationales (a paragraph at absolute most). Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 00:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Gotcha! I have the tendency to be elaborate and verbose as you probably noticed!
I appreciate that bit of information on being a more concise writer. I think I've learned a lot from Wikipedia and, of course, HouseBlaster! A paragraph it is! Now to compress my ideas.....!
Many thanks for all you do!
CL Creative Lizzie (talk) 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
@Creative Lizzie: of course, you should feel free to submit another edit request after your previous one has been processed. I would suggest you make a request to add a single sentence with a citation, and then another, and then another, etc. HouseBlaster (he/him) 00:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
OK, I am on it and will make it simple.
Thank you for the info, HB. U R the best! Creative Lizzie (talk) 17:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)