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Review: September 30, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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Passed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 01:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 13:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
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Remove 2003 from Redskins in infobox.
"there were" Remove there and change to where
Link tackles-for-loss (it links to a glossary)
Link Verizon maybe?
Link Academic All-America.
"was waived by the team on August 19, 2004" Change to "waived/injured"
"They were the last team" Change they to the Bengals.
Any info on his parents? Just wondering if he was actually Haitian or just born there. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @WikiOriginal-9: Addressed everything but the last point. As for that, all I seem to find on him being Haitian is this one source mentioning that "Joseph, 22, a native of Haiti, led the Golden Knights..." Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  OK, let's leave it. I'm not sure if he's American by now yet but eh. That's all. Nice work! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination

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... that Ricot Joseph was the first Haitian to play in the NFL?

Source: PFR

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Littlehampton libels
Comment: Will do QPQ within 24 hours.

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 253 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Is there a non-primary source that supports this? Hooks shouldn't solely be based off primary-source database lookups. Also, there might be limitations on how far PFR database goes back. Someone might also be Haitian without being born there, e.g. parents, naturalized, etc. —Bagumba (talk) 10:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The hook could be "... that Ricot Joseph was the first Haitian-born NFL player?" – there does seem to have been a player of Haitian descent before him (Jocelyn Borgella) – but PFR is likely right in that he was the first from Haiti (unless somehow they missed someone from between 1996-2001 which I highly doubt). There's also this book with a list of Haitian-born NFL players and by looking up the others mentioned he played the earliest. Thoughts @Bagumba:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: I have a couple major concerns. One is that a DYK fact should be deemed interesting enough for a secondary source to have mentioned. Especially for sports, where a bevy of factoids can otherwise be queried from a database. The second concern is that neither list is definitively complete. That's where prose saying he's the first at least has the assurance that the author implicitly vouches for the statement. IIRC, DYK is also becoming more strict on "first" hook sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]