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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that a commentator said the McLaren MCL60 underwent "one of the most impressive in-season development steps ever seen" in Formula One?

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move the article to McLaren McL60

https://twitter.com/mclarenf1/status/1623366129212133389?s=46&t=M6M_PSmb1BphIMZe-FELWQ 三蚊客 (talk) 17:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect claim regarding Triple Crown of Motorsport

The article claims McLaren is the only motorsports team to win the Triple Crown - didn't Mercedes also win the Triple Crown (Monaco GP, Le Mans, Indy 500)? This should be checked. SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article cites several reputable sources which state that McLaren is the only team to complete the Triple Crown as of 2023. As far as I can tell, that's correct. Mercedes have never competed at the Indy 500 as a team anyway, so they wouldn't be able to make the same claim. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 02:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It says on Wikipedia that Mercedes won the Indy 500 in 1915. Would that not count? Both engine and chassis were Mercedes. SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic (talk) 20:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - The claim is about teams completing the Triple Crown, and the Mercedes team has never competed at the Indy 500. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - A clarification should be added then - Mercedes also accomplished this, but in 1915 they did not enter as a team into the Indy 500, only as an individual entry. SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Are you telling me – completely seriously –that you want a clarification added to the article to state that Mercedes has not completed the Triple Crown? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 02:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Well yes. They either did it or they didn't. The wikipedia for the triple crown indicates both McLaren and Mercedes have done it. A clarification for that fact on top of the claim that "McLaren is the only motorsports team to win the Triple Crown" would do much good in terms of clearing the confusion. SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Ok, I see why you've come here. The Triple Crown of Motorsport article has had a "Manufacturer and teams". A manufacturer is not the same thing as a team. As I've already stated, Mercedes have never competed in the Indy 500 as a team. Mercedes (the motorsport team) cannot claim to have completed the Triple Crown, and they've never done so. If you Google "mercedes triple crown", you'll see that this claim is never made by Mercedes, nor is it made by any reputable secondary source. The editors on the Triple Crown article have failed to distinguish between a team and a manufacturer, and I would argue that making that claim on behalf of Mercedes is incorrect and a case of original research. Either way, there is no need to add any sort of clarification to this article, as it is already abundantly clear that the claim is being made in regards to the McLaren race team, not McLaren as a constructor/manufacturer. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 02:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        I see you've made the revision on that article! Thanks a ton. I'm now satisfied with the clarifications as is. Consider it a resolved issue. SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic (talk) 00:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. 750 h+ 10:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:McLaren MCL60/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: 5225C (talk · contribs) 11:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 00:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. 750 h+ 00:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@750h+: Are you still happy to review this one? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, sorry i'll get to this soon 750h+ 07:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No stress, thanks! 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

prose

lead

took over development of the MCL60 ==> "took over the development of the MCL60"
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the fourth round of the season ==> "the fourth season round"
- Not done That would be grammatically incorrect and would imply there are other, non-season rounds. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
not seen in modern Formula One, and appeared to influence the development programs of several other teams. remove the comma
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

background

to be used at launch, and it was delayed for introduction remove the comma
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
departed in mid December 2022 add a hyphen between "mid" and "December"
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At its launch, the car was considered an evolution of its predecessor – which had itself undergone heavy development during the 2022 season. replace the hyphen with a comma
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He said certain undesirable ==> "He said that certain undesirable"
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
scheme developed by Seamless Digital utilising e-ink displays ==> "scheme developed by Seamless Digital using e-ink displays" (best to use simpler and more understandable words)
- Done, and interesting essay, I will be getting myself a copy. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
was named "Stealth Mode" by McLaren, and was run in remove the comma
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
collaboration with Vuse featured the artwork of an emerging local artist, in this case Nujood Al-Otaibi remove "in this case" (unless there's a good reason to have it there)
- Not done Need to clarify that it's not the same artist every year, although open to suggestions of other ways to do this. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

competition and development history

In a chaotic race interrupted by multiple incidents, Norris finished seventh and Piastri ninth, and both were promoted a place by penalties for Carlos Sainz Jr. ==> "In a chaotic race interrupted by multiple incidents, Norris finished seventh and Piastri ninth. Both were promoted a place by penalties for Carlos Sainz Jr."
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
featured a revised tunnel inlet in order to comply ==> "featured a revised tunnel inlet to comply"
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the subsection "Opening rounds and Azerbaijani upgrades", the last sentence of many paragraphs are unsupported. They need to be supported by a citation. Can they be added?
- @5225C: this needs to be addressed. 750h+ 09:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Absolutely, just don't have the time for it this afternoon. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Continuing with review (5225C could this be addressed)? 750 h+ 10:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On it now. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    
    Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    still one in the last sentence of the third paragraph of the "Austrian–British upgrades and turnaround in form" section, last sentence of first paragraph of "Remaining European rounds" section, and last sentence of third paragraph in "Remaining European rounds" section. After these are addressed i'd be happy to pass for GA status 750 h+ 08:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Done (or at least I think so...) 5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Piastri finished the race fifteenth, and Norris finished seventeenth. remove the comma
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ninth, and both were promoted a place remove the comma
- Is this a duplicate? Appears redundant to the point above. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it featured an entirely new floor, and a circuit-specific beam wing remove the comma
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
changes to the sidepods, bodywork, and floor for last comma is unnecessary
- Not done per WP:OCOMMA and WP:Oxford comma, Wikipedia has no preference between the two styles, but requests that the chosen style be used consistently within an article. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
against the Mercedes-AMG F1 W14 E Performance which was fitted with add a comma before "which"
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grand Prix, in an effort to avoid the issue encountered ==> "Grand Prix to avoid the issue encountered"
- Not done The car still struggled with drag, so it should be made clear that that was the goal, not necessarily the outcome. Happy to re-word or expand to make this clearer. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the sprint shootout, Norris qualified and finish fourth I think it should be "finished fourth", not "finish fourth"
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

assessment and characteristics

low-grip surfaces, when remove comma (BrEng)
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and in high-speed corners, but noted remove the comma (BrEng)
- Done 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, the upgrades never would recommend replacing "upgrades", as it's repeated in the previous sentence.
- Done, but changed the first instance rather than the second. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

verdict

apologies for this review, i've been pretty slow with it. placing on hold. 750h+ 10:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- All good, thanks for taking it on! It took months to get a reviewer so a couple weeks to do the review is no big deal. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Better. Passing. 750 h+ 09:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 01:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the McLaren MCL60 went from one of the slowest Formula One cars to one of the fastest in what was called "one of the most impressive in-season development steps ever seen" in the sport? Source: BBC Sport
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Substructure search

Improved to Good Article status by 5225C (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Epicgenius (talk) 14:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]