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Requested move 8 September 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 16:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]


King CharlesKing Charles (disambiguation) – And redirect King Charles to Charles III. The primary topic for King Charles in our day and age is the King of the United Kingdom, especially in the English-speaking world. A Spanish king from 500 years back can not change that. Kebabpizza (talk) 19:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Soft oppose. Queen Elizabeth seems to set a reasonable precedent. However, the page certainly mustn’t stay as is, with those looking for the current UK monarch having to follow another redirect. So Charles III (leading to the UK monarch) certainly needs to be on its own, probably on top, perhaps separated from former Kings Charles using heading such as Reigning/Former. —ThorstenNY (talk) 20:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Even treating the current UK king as the primary meaning of Charles III, although it was ultimately upheld, proved controversial. Treating him as the primary meaning of King Charles, when there are a pile of other monarchs of this name, including two well-known previous British monarchs, is surely going too far. PatGallacher (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

followup to move discussion

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I wanted to check some navigation changes discussed with @Neveselbert in the latter half of February, as we have a full month of stats since, but I also realized the top section was also changed since, in the first half of March. So the picture isn't necessarily clear, but whatever:

https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=King_Charles
13739 total incoming views
clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
10044 total identified outgoing clickstreams
  • King_Charles Charles_III link 8299 (~60% / ~82.6%)
  • King_Charles Charles_III_(disambiguation) link 460 (~3.3% / ~4.5%)
  • King_Charles Charles_I link 342 (~2.5% / ~3.4%)
  • King_Charles Charles_II link 196
  • King_Charles Charles_X link 96
  • King_Charles Charles_I_of_England other 61
  • King_Charles King_Charles_(news_program) link 60
  • King_Charles Carl_XVI_Gustaf link 59
  • King_Charles Charles_II_of_England other 55
  • King_Charles Charles_VIII link 47
  • King_Charles Charles_IV link 44
  • King_Charles Main_Page other 37
  • King_Charles Charles_V link 37
  • King_Charles Charles_VI link 34
  • King_Charles Charles_IX link 29
  • King_Charles King_Charles_Spaniel link 28
  • King_Charles Charles_VII link 27
  • King_Charles Prince_Charles_(disambiguation) link 24
  • King_Charles King_Charles_(musician) link 19
  • King_Charles Diana,_Princess_of_Wales other 17
  • King_Charles Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom other 16
  • King_Charles Charles_XI_of_Sweden link 16
  • King_Charles Queen_Elizabeth_The_Queen_Mother other 14
  • King_Charles Charles_XV link 14
  • King_Charles Charles_XII_of_Sweden link 13

That's 25 identified destinations, and it's clear that we come down to the anonymization threshold of 10 there. At WT:D I have a thread where I collated some other cases where the top link gets ~60% incoming, overall it seems fine as is. --Joy (talk) 19:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In all-time monthly page views for King Charles we can see the recent spikes. In the last couple of months, the top items are:

April 8863 incoming views, and clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv shows:
  • King_Charles Charles_III other 4952 (~55.9% / ~79.9%)
  • King_Charles Charles_III_(disambiguation) other 325 (~3.7% / ~5.2%)
  • King_Charles Charles_I other 235
  • King_Charles Charles_II other 174
  • King_Charles King_Charles_(news_program) other 148
  • ...
  • total: 6197 to 19 identified destinations
May 6978 incoming views, and clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv shows:
  • King_Charles Charles_III link 4073 (~58.4% / ~77.2%)
  • King_Charles Charles_III_(disambiguation) link 320 (~4.6% / ~6.1%)
  • King_Charles Charles_I link 254
  • King_Charles Charles_II link 162
  • King_Charles Charles_X link 59
  • ...
  • total: 5276 to 22 identified destinations

--Joy (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, this amount of clicks on Charles III (dis) may indicate that the Kings section heading causes blindness to the common section on top, the one that has no heading. This might be driving the clicks towards the current king at https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Charles_III_%28disambiguation%29 IOW that small contingent of readers was sent on a bit of a ride instead of getting navigated efficiently. It's also possible that some of them drop off along the way. --Joy (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 9584 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:
  • King_Charles Charles_III link 5918 (~61.7% / ~85.3%)
  • King_Charles Charles_III_(disambiguation) link 353 (~3.7%)
  • King_Charles Charles_I link 196
  • King_Charles Charles_II link 166
  • King_Charles Charles_X link 59
  • ...
  • total: 6938 to 18 identified destinations
July 5319 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-07.tsv:
  • King_Charles Charles_III link 3288 (~61.8% / ~83.1%)
  • King_Charles Charles_I link 194
  • King_Charles Charles_II link 169
  • King_Charles Charles_III_(disambiguation) link 139 (~2.6%)
  • King_Charles Charles_IV link 34
  • ...
  • total: 3955 to 14 identified destinations
August 4526 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-08.tsv:
  • King_Charles Charles_III link 2675 (~59.1% / ~81.1%)
  • King_Charles Charles_I link 199
  • King_Charles Charles_II link 167
  • King_Charles Charles_III_(disambiguation) link 113 (~2.5%)
  • King_Charles Charles_IV link 32
  • ...
  • total: 3296 to 13 identified destinations

Looks like a little bit of repetition may have helped about half of those readers who missed the top part, about two hundred a month.

Note that the above numbers did not include filtered clickstreams, and WikiNav for August shows 1023 or ~20%.--Joy (talk) 09:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]