Talk:2024 Atlantic hurricane season

Article for Hurricane Kirk?

That Irish surfer guy told me to talk here. I think, as Hurricane Kirk is getting stronger, it may need its own article. It might become a Category 2 or 3 soon, even though it won’t touch land. The lack of affected areas may not affect the article, but please talk to me soon. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

As there will most probably be neither direct land interaction nor fatalities with this tropical system, and given that its meteorological history will not likely grow too large to fit comfortably into the season article, Kirk does not meet the notability criteria for a stand-alone storm article. Drdpw (talk) 00:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

There might be a sudden deviation where it goes west instead of north. It might devastate the Big Bend as well, so I think not. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 00:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

It’s now a Cat 3 xD HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 01:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Kirk is going nowhere near the Big Bend region, or anywhere on the North American continent. It is, and will continue to move generally northward across the open central Atlantic, a classic Cabo Verde "fish storm." Drdpw (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

What if though… you can never guarantee something in the future… HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 02:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Meteorology does not predict the impossible. At this stage, Hurricane Kirk will never become an article. Jalen Barks (Woof) 02:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, Hurricane Sam got an article, even though it was basically a fish storm, and it also would likely be a cat 4 or 5 SillyNerdo (talk) 13:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

great, i forgot the period. SillyNerdo (talk) 13:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

"Other stuff exists" is not a valid argument in this case. As it stands, Kirk-2024 is not notable for a stand-alone storm article. Drdpw (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I haven't seen other topics besides weather and other stuff so i've never heard of that, but thank you for telling me about it. SillyNerdo (talk) 21:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Sam broke records, an extensive meteorological history section, and had tangible impacts. None of these I believe Kirk has or would have. ✶Quxyz✶ 22:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I am absolutely certain that Kirk is not going to, nor will ever, be notable. Out of boldness, I will change the draft the user created into a redirect since it has already been rejected. _ZZ^Z'S 23:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I believe it would be better for Wikipedia if the draft was deleted, which I did not notice until now. There is little to no chance that Kirk will ever become an article. _ZZ^Z'S 23:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

yeah, i guess there has been like 3 cat 4 hurricanes without a article, which is fair. SillyNerdo (talk) 23:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Could've forgotten to say, if it becomes a cat 5 hurricane, it'll have to be a page, since I don't think any cat 5 hurricanes without a page. 12:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

i forgot to log in, I said that comment... SillyNerdo (talk) 12:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Intensity alone, unless it breaks records, does not make an article notable enough for its own article. The only reason that all Cat 5s in the Atlantic have their own article is because of other significant events like their impacts or breaking meteorological records. _ZZ^Z'S 13:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I was considering nominating for deletion but I held back because I'm lazy and I didn't want to get yelled at for biting newcomers. ✶Quxyz✶ 23:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Kirk may bring notable impacts to Europe as an ETC later down the line, at which point an article for Kirk could be justified. Of course, we'll have to wait for these impacts to happen, but it's something to watch out for. ArkHyena (it/its) 19:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Slightly tangential: I did see that the NHC issued hurricane warnings for the Atlantic Ocean, is that of note to mention? ✶Quxyz✶ 00:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

{{Ping|Quxyz}} There is no need to mention that the NHC issued hurricane warnings for the Atlantic Ocean since there is nothing noteworthy about it and we are a hurricane over the Atlantic Ocean. Jason Rees (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

How the heck did I cause this whole argument over a hurricane? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 19:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Less an argument, more of a recurring topic that comes up every year. Every named storm deserves to get some sort of notice on Wikipedia, I think we're all in agreement of that, and the season articles are the perfect places to start them. Active storms are exciting, I think we can also agree about that. Let's see if Kirk ends up causing significant enough impacts from its surf - otherwise, let's keep working on the season article and other topics. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I saw somewhere that Kirk might turn to London and Paris, but please hold up on deleting my article so that we can see the results of Hurricane Kirk. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 19:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, there could be an article of Hurricane Kirk, possibly if there's more then 5 deaths in Europe probably. SillyNerdo (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/143626.shtml?tswind120#wcontents HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

the wind might be a t.s. (Tropical Storm) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I also saw that there is a tropical disturbance that has a 40% chance or less of forming. Will this form into Hurricane Milton or Tropical Storm Milton? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 19:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@SillyNerdo and @HurricaneKirk2024 This page is for discussing improvements to the article itself, not for speculation on the hurricane season or talking about the general subject (wee WP:FORUM). Unless you have a specific comment regarding improving the article please refrain from commenting further. JayTee⛈️ 20:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I got caught off-guard, I am so sorry. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Kirk article

With Kirk likely to affect Europe significantly, could an article for the storm be necessary? I imagine that warnings will be issued soon, and the storm has a decent meteorological history, I think a draft for the storm could be started in the next few days as it approaches Europe. 96.236.149.251 (talk) 01:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Nah, no need unless there are significant impacts. More likely, it'll just be a European windstorm. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I started this xD yeah I agree there should not be an article for Kirk HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 16:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I would wait to see what it does in Europe as if it does enough, it could have its own article. ✶Quxyz✶ 21:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

it’s already dead. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 21:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Its remnants will impact Europe. ✶Quxyz✶ 21:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Impact Europe as a new extratropical European windstorm, not as extra tropical ex-Kirk itself. Drdpw (talk) 21:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

so it’l die then reform as smth else? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 21:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Merger, actually. Drdpw (talk) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

ok sorry HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I confirm that name of this cyclone will stays same. European weather centre have new policy that ex-hurricanes hold his name. it's easy for European. I have read now news about ex-hurricane will soon in France as storm Krik. Edwtie (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I've actually been working on the draft for it, and it is slowly improving. I would appreciate it being kept open for now or moved to my sandbox if that's allowed or even possible. Shmego2 (talk) 01:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

make it kept open, I think it could evolve HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 17:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

It still doesn't meet the notability guidelines. I do not see why the draft should be kept open. _ZZ^Z'S 17:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

If we could find more information on it, we could make it fit. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 17:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

If European windstorm Kirk were to have a significant impact in Europe, that would be a separate article from hurricane Kirk, which did nothing noteworthy during its lifespan. Drdpw (talk) 17:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I believe Kirk has reached that criteria now. Already a fatality and the damage in Iberia is very significant.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 22:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Note: I moved the page to Draft:Storm Kirk (2024), as the notability of this system, if any, will be as an European windstorm, not as a tropical cyclone. Drdpw (talk) 01:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you, I was considering doing that. However, I imagine the meteorological history will be almost all about it as a tropical system? Shmego2 (talk) 01:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

That still doesn't make it notable. The draft is already 8k bytes and I seriously doubt it could be and should be expanded. _ZZ^Z'S 18:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we could make it a subsection of the Kirk windstorm HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

One exists: 2024–25 European windstorm season#Ex-Hurricane Kirk. Drdpw (talk) 18:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

IrishSurfer21: Why did you revert my draft page move? It has already been established through the draft review process that Hurricane Kirk was not notable. If this system becomes notable, it will be as an European windstorm, Storm Kirk. If there is to be a standalone draft article, it should therefore, by precedent, be titled “Draft:Storm Kirk.’ Drdpw (talk) 02:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, there was no consensus for a change in the article name. Also, regardless of the status of Kirk as it impacted Europe it is “Hurricane Kirk”. When the National Hurricane Center releases their TCR and notes the European impact it will be referred to as the remnants of Hurricane Kirk. In fact, several of the news agencies sourced in the article refer to the system as “Ex-Hurricane Kirk”. Please do not make any major page moves without a proper discussion on the talk page.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 04:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Also please link the precedent, because storms such as Lorenzo 2019 and Leslie 2018 were both listed under their original tropical names.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 04:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Precedents: Hatlestad Slide (Hurricane Maria 2005); October 2021 nor'easter (Tropical Storm Wanda 2021). Drdpw (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Drdpw and Zzzs: The storm is fundamentally notable for causing a fatality and extensive damage. Whether or not it's titled a hurricane or windstorm can be settled in an RM. --Crete44 (talk) 10:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)strike sock

There's a decent amount of news buzz on Kirk but I don't know how much of it is really of substance for an article. The storm isn't "fundamentally notable" for one death and I see no evidence atm of extensive damage. JayTee⛈️ 16:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

One death isn’t notable in, say, the case of Tropical Storm Vicky where the storm also produces no damage. This is not like that. The storm also resulted in over 300,000 countries and caused damage in multiple countries. In addition, the storm brought an increase in wind energy and record flooding in France. This storm is certainly more notable then Tropical Storm Harold, Tropical Storm Ophelia (2023) and Tropical Storm Philippe (2023), and seeing as they all survived merge discussions, there is precedent for tropical storms with relatively minor impacts to get individual articles.--Crete44 (talk) 21:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC) strike sock -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Crete is 100% correct. Like he said, the fatality doesn't make this storm notable. Its the damage caused in Europe. Shmego2 (talk) 22:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Vicky actually was not given an article because it was the tropical wave that caused the fatality and not Vicky itself. The argument about Vicky is entirely invalid in this case.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 22:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

The argument concerning Harold, Ophelia and Philippe is a WP:OSE argument as well. But considering the length of the draft I can now see the grounds for a Kirk article. I didn't know if anyone was going to find that much information on the storm until now. JayTee⛈️ 16:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The remnants were more important, not the hurricane itself. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 17:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm aware. JayTee⛈️ 23:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 01:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I would agree that the draft seems long enough, especially when considering its Meteorological history section is woefully outdated. ArkHyena (it/its) 02:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:OSE literally states While these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this. Crete44 (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)strike sock -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not dismissing your entire comment and have already agreed that an article is warranted now that more information has been found on the storm. But the part of your comment where you claim Kirk is more notable than Harold, Ophelia and Philippe and therefore deserves to be kept reflects a common OSE argument; it is better to look at the debates in question and see what policies were cited and make an argument based on how they apply to the current debate than just say "x was kept so this should be too". JayTee⛈️ 23:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

In the context I thought I was saying, I didn’t mean to cause this OSE argument. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm referring to Crete44's comments not yours. And this is less of an argument and more of a mild policy disagreement. JayTee⛈️ 01:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

sorry. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Split out Hurricane Kirk (2024)

The discussion above is trending in an unclear discussion, so I’m proposing it formally here. I think that based on the sources listed in #Kirk article that the storm is notable enough for an article, either as a hurricane or a windstorm. There is no way that the impacts can be summarized in the hurricane article, and while they might be able to be summarized in the European windstorm section, those sections are long as it is and couldn’t take the meteorological history from the Atlantic. To slightly trim down these articles and allow the information to be in one place, plus the impacts, I am proposing a separate article for Kirk. Crete44 (talk) 21:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I completely agree, and there is a draft (as I'm sure you know) here: Draft:Hurricane Kirk (2024). It's looking quite good Shmego2 (talk) 22:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah the only issue currently with the draft is there is some confusion to whether it should be named “Hurricane Kirk (2024)” or “Storm Kirk”. I believe since Kirk had some impact on the Azores and rip currents as a tropical cyclone it should remain as “Hurricane Kirk (2024)” but there may need to be a formal discussion opened about it.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 22:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I initially believed it should be storm kirk, but now that you consider the other impacts that Kirk had as a tropical cyclone, it should remain as "Hurricane Kirk (2024)" Shmego2 (talk) 22:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Name article title Hurricane Kirk (2024) and not Storm Kirk, as it was a post tropical cyclone. Like with Hurricane Ophelia (2017) and Hurricane Lorenzo (2019). VehicleandWeatherEnthusiast2022 (talk) 00:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

To everyone:

I thank y’all for fixing up my bad draft.

You’ve made my dream come true. 🥲 HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 03:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

TD 15 is forming, and we need a draft!

Invest 94L is about to form into a tropical depression, and I have a draft starting for 94L. Does anyone agree with my choice? @Hurricane Clyde and everyone else on this topic, please reply. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 00:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

If you think a draft should be made, then you should make it. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

It is definitely WP:TOOSOON to do so. Even after a tropical depression forms, if in fact one does, it will still be too soon to draft a storm article. Drdpw (talk) 01:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Too soon for an article, never too soon for a draft. WP:NDRAFT states drafts aren't held to the same standards of notability (nor sanity) of mainspace articles and I see no reason for a page entitled Draft:Tropical Depression 15 (2024) to be put through MfD. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Let’s wait until the depression forms. Still a little too soon. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

too late already made a draft HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 02:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

better early than late ⏰ HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 02:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. It'll be a notable storm if it forms, why not start compiling information now, as George Memulous said. Shmego2 (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I am doing just that in my sandbox. The likelihood that this wave will develop into a tropical depression is diminishing however, and that will likely not happen. The same goes for the low now off the coast of Nicaragua. Yes, if a tropical depression forms from either of these systems, the resulting storm may indeed become notable. It is way too soon to tell though, as we cannot predict how disturbances will evolve. Drdpw (talk) 00:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Will you help me (like you did my Kirk draft) on this draft? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 00:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Not yet. At the moment, I agree with Drdpw, who is working in his sandbox. The chances of it forming are diminishing, so, as he suggested, I think we should wait at the moment. Shmego2 (talk) 01:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

It is too early for an article, the storm hasn’t even formed yet. See Wikipedia:Crystal for more info. !Insendieum! ✉️ 12:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

and besides, it’s already about to die. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 12:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you understand now why people have been telling you to hold off on starting a draft, that it is too early to do so? Drdpw (talk) 12:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

yeah… HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 12:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

maybe instead 95L? it's really close to forming. SillyNerdo (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

No, 95L, even if it becomes TD15, does not merit draft article at this time, for the reasons stated above. Drdpw (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

no for like later once it possibly becomes Nadine. SillyNerdo (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Well that completely depends on how notable it is. !Insendieum! ✉️ 21:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Pretty sure it's going to hit the capital of Belize :/ SillyNerdo (talk) 22:31, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Was going to reword the other users prelim draft for Fifteen but thanks Drdpw! ViridLeWiki (talk) 21:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Here are some guidelines for when a tropical cyclone becomes notable: Wikipedia:Notability (weather)#Tropical cyclones. Drdpw (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

it just became PTC 15 HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 00:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft on PTC 15 already started!

The draft: Draft:Potential Tropical Cyclone Fifteen (2024) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

when the clock strikes nigh, UPDATE it. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

You seriously need to know that one should not create tropical cyclone articles BEFORE they become notable like the draft you created right now. _ZZ^Z'S 02:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Then, what was the point of compiling information on it? Where do I store it? BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 02:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

There is a point. You just stored it in the wrong place. You can store it in the appropriate section in this article, the draft Hurricane Kirk mentioned, or your own personal sandbox until the disturbance becomes notable enough to merit its own article. _ZZ^Z'S 02:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Please stop replying to this comment as this discussion has been morally resolved. BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 02:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

BoppySillyMcGoof has already created the article in mainspace at Tropical Depression Fifteen (2024), which appears to be TOOSOON since the system isn't even a tropical depression yet (according to the NHC). CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:13, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I know, I know, just let it pass, please. BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 02:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Off topic conversation

@BoppySillyMcGoof Are you an alternate account of @HurricaneKirk2024? There's a large amount of crossover between your editing histories and you appear to have responded on HK2024's behalf in this thread. While there's technically nothing wrong with operating a second account as a side project it isn't advisable this early in your editing career as it can easily fall into sockpuppetry. JayTee⛈️ 05:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC) I was actually on when he was on, send him to SPI. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 10:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC) To be honest, he isn’t a sockpuppet, but, just to make sure, send him to SPI. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 10:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC) I just realized, he doesn’t word stuff like me… HE’S NOT A SOCKPUPPET HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 11:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC) What just happened? BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 14:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Tropical Storm Nadine is 45 mph and 1002 millibars by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. I am not familiar with changing templates, but please do. BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 14:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@HurricaneKirk2024 , WHAT IS TROPICAL STORM OSCAR?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 15:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@BoppySillyMcGoof Can we please do our best to not spam the talk page with inconsequential/off-topics messages or ask others to make an edit that will likely be made within minutes. JayTee⛈️ 15:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

That statement was about the 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season and can be included here. I will continue to notify people of the changes on Tropical Storm Nadine on its talk page, possibly on this one. Although, you did start a conversation that a user had to collapse as it was off-topic. BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 15:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

BoppySillyMcGoof – Please stop notifying people of the changes on Tropical Storm Nadine, or any other storm system. It is more disruptive than it is constructive, and is a rather pointless action. Drdpw (talk) 17:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry. BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Can we please not WP:SHOUT. :) SirMemeGod  23:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, with TOOSOON. I'd highly suggest not making things too soon and publishing them. Back when I was a new editor aswell (April) I consistently pushed for the Tornado outbreak and derecho of April 1-3, 2024 article to be created, and I was bit pretty severely by two separate people, which still affects how I edit to this day. I'd suggest waiting until an article is warranted to avoid potential hostile interactions with others. Just some advice, I don't want any editors discouraged because of others. :) SirMemeGod  23:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I am very confused. BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 00:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know that the draft feature was available. BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• I will repeat what others have said regarding the early creation of the article: article or draft creation on tropical cyclones or even weather events before they become notable (if they even become notable, at least) is mainly discouraged. Notability can be established through, for example, the impacts of a tropical cyclone over on land and significant, reliable coverage of it, and that's why we have the general notability guideline – this applies to tropical cyclones (tropical cyclones that stay out to sea and do not cause damage are not notable, despite the coverage they receive – it's routine). It's also why there's an essay on notability guidelines for tropical cyclones: WP:NWXTC. I'll add on to what Zzzs said as well: it's also why sections on the respective season(s) of weather events exist, especially for tropical cyclones. Editors can also use their own respective personal sandboxes to draft future weather-related articles and events as well. There isn't a need to create a draft, however, for weather events that simply haven't developed yet or in the stages of development that do not receive coverage that establishes notability of the specific event. This applies to the draft above: Draft:Potential Tropical Cyclone Fifteen (2024). Wait until notability is established of the respective weather event to create a draft, or if it satisfies some of the criteria over on NWXTC. Same goes for Hurricane Kirk (2024) in the early stages of development – again, wait for notability to be established of the hurricane/tropical cyclone. While it certainly does now because of its impacts and the amount of coverage received, I simply think it was way too early for it to be created. There is no need in rushing to create an article, as well. It's just too soon. ~ Tails Wx 02:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

  Okay, thanks! I appreciate it! BoppySillyMcGoof (talk) 03:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Nadine and Oscar articles

Should we make articles on them, as Nadine has affected Central America while Oscar is expected to scrape Eastern Cuba as a hurricane? Tavantius (talk) 18:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Each of them already has a draft article started. Drdpw (talk) 18:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Tropical Storm Nadine (2024)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hurricane Oscar (2024) ✶Quxyz✶ 14:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I came here to ask if Oscar would have an article. It might already be semi notable for being such a small hurricane and because the forecasts seem to have been badly off, going from having a 10% development chance to a Category 1 hurricane in about a day or 2 and only being detected when a plane flew to investigate it. Plus, it's predicted to strike Cuba at a time when the country is experiencing blackouts etc. Fourdots2 (talk) 21:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

If you can find independent sources documenting it's poor forecasting, we might be able to weave it into the article. ✶Quxyz✶ 22:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Here maybe? And also on the NHC website https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/news/weather/forecasts/oscar-hits-cuba-as-one-of-the-smallest-hurricanes-on-record Fourdots2 (talk) 08:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/10/the-worlds-tiniest-hurricane-may-have-formed-this-weekend-near-cuba/ Fourdots2 (talk) 08:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2024/10/20/storm-tracker-hurricane-oscar-path-spaghetti-models/75763514007/

Article about possible devastating impacts Fourdots2 (talk) 08:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)