User talk:Dxneo

August 2024

Hello. I just wanted to know why is it not necessary? I know articles that have written the YouTube views count, such as the song "Seven" by Taylor Swift (which is a GA), and they're always sourced (at least their GA reviewed version). So I just wanted to ask if there's anything I don't know about such a situation. Please let me know, regards. Medxvo (talk) 09:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Medxvo, most of the times this kind of statements are not cited (especially to YouTube). Because the numbers/views are constantly changing and YouTube is considered unreliable and I'm trying to get the article to GA then FA. I'm currently working on getting Tyla (album) to FA and when I was addressing PR requests, I was instructed to remove YouTube URLs. I did not remove YouTube only, but TikTok too and other social links will be removed too— dxneo (talk) 10:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I see. I have seen several articles using YouTube URLs as sources for lyric or music videos, and they were promoted to GAs. Examples include "Christmas Tree Farm", "The Man", "Cardigan", "Willow", "Champagne Problems", "I Can See You", and "Seven". Also, from what I understand from WP:VIDEOLINK, music videos can be used if needed (if there's no other reliable source). And for the "numbers/views are constantly changing", that's why "as of" and "access-date" are added to the statement and the source, to clarify the exact date. I think YouTube music videos URLs are pretty much different from TikTok and other social media posts, and they can be used if needed. Let me know what you think, thank you. Medxvo (talk) 11:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Medxvo, in terms of GAs, it depends on who's the reviewer. For example, see Talk:Trust Issues/GA1, the reviewer was so strict and wanted validation of sources, they didn't care if the content of the source is good or not and that's what makes a Good Article. At PR, YouTube is only tolerated if it's an interview from a trusted publisher (Billboard for example), other URLs can be listed under external links, and no, they do not accept music videos as sources per PS. However, it's okay, you can cite YouTube but if they request that I remove it at GAC, PR or FAC, I won't hesitate. Take care, happy editing. — dxneo (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Music videos are primary sources indeed, but they can be used per WP:VIDEOLINK, since the publisher is Vevo. The "Trust Issues" reviewer was strict about the reliability of some publications, which is understandable and happens at every GA/FA nomination, but that is not what I am talking about here. Anyway, I will not cite YouTube at "Water (Tyla song)", but they may request a source for the YouTube views information when nominating "Water" for GA/FA, I just wanted to point that out. Thank you! Medxvo (talk) 14:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 21

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Water (Tyla song), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hitparade.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 19:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Re: Mentorship

Hi there Dxneo! Thanks for reaching out about the FAC. So immediately, I'd be worried about the album being released earlier this year, and not having enough time to see the legacy of the album. That doesn't mean you need to wait ten years, but I'd be worried about the stability of the article when there's statements like this - the album proves Tyla has the potential to become "one of the genre-defining stars of her generation". While that's certainly potential down the road, it's a bit early to assess that. For instance, Tyla hasn't even gone on tour yet to promote the album (due to the injury). What's going to happen once she starts touring? That's going to affect the article.

So I can certainly assess the article right now, and point out its flaws. Here's a quick few things that stand out right now that you can work on:

• The lead is pretty short, with three short paragraphs. Could you expand any more?

I am really struggling with this. Few pointers would really help. dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

For instance, what does it even mean to release an album these days? Were there vinyl records pressed, or CD's, or was it released online? I'm not even sure what it means to be "released through FAX and Epic Records". Was it only released in South Africa, or released worldwide? Also, the part about the injury can be expanded, since that affected the tour. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I have expanded the lead, tell me if it's okay or not. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

What does it mean to be "released through FAX and Epic Records"? And what about expanding on the injury affecting the tour? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. dxneo (talk) 02:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• "The Tyla Tour was announced, some dates of which were cancelled due to injuries." - it appears that most of the dates were canceled? The article for Tyla Tour only indicates one show on the tour that she performed.

I corrected the inaccuracy. Been busy improving this article, I must've missed it. dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

So did the tour ever happen? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

No. Not even one show. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

So this is one aspect that is going to change about the article, once the tour actually happens. I recommend holding off on the FAC until after the tour is done, and keeping up with adding that info in. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I highly doubt that it will ever happen. After the cancellation and postponement, she refunded the Europeans and she has been performing all along but she doesn't say anything about the tour. That's one of the reasons I held back on updating the Live performances subsection 'cause "she was injured." My guess is that the tickets didn't sell as expected so they had to come up with a stunt for cancellation dxneo (talk) 02:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• "Tyla self-released her debut single "Getting Late" featuring Kooldrink, which gained popularity in South Africa and piqued the interest of executives at Epic Records." - since this is the debut album, I think you could probably expand on this. How did it gain popularity? Was the single released in 2019? And how did she self-release it?

 Done dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• "In October 2023, Tyla told Capital Xtra she had been recording Tyla for over two years and that it would mostly be "popiano", a blend of amapiano and pop music." - you should probably explain what amapiano is, rather than just linking it.

Please elaborate here. I thought linking it would make sense and easy access for readers who aren't familiar with the genre. Although I doubt there are any as of today. dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

No, in fact linking it made me even more confused, since amapiano is already a portmanteau of a fusion of styles, and "pop music" is so broad a term that it's not even that useful unless you explain what you're going for here. As this is an artist's opening album, you're also describing the musical style, so it's important to be precise. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I was confused on whether I should elaborate further under Background or Composition, I chose Background since it comes first. Hope that's okay. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Yea this is a lot better here! Just one small thing - " she said that since amapiano songs were like eight to ten-minutes long, she wanted a three-minutes normal format of a pop song or an R&B song." - this part should either be a quote (the "like eight to ten-minutes long" feels like a quote), or this needs some tweaking. The two usages of "she" is a tad bit clunky here, but you're on the right track. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thought so too. Fixed it. dxneo (talk) 02:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• "Part of Tyla was recorded in Portland, Jamaica." - why is this worth mentioning, but not the locations of any of the other countries where the album was recorded?

 Done dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Not really done - how come you removed it? ♫

Haha! No, I did not remove it. I have added all the venues/studios per booklet. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Oops totally missed that. Yea that's better. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• "Tyla announced Tyla's release via social media on 30 November 2023." - two things. I'd avoid saying Tyla twice within three words, but more importantly, the album wouldn't be released for a few more months after this date. So maybe something like "announced the upcoming release date" or something?

 Done dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• The description of "Safer" with "soothing melodies" feels like it was written by a fan, calling it "soothing". Could you find a more neutral way of writing this?

 Done dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "smooth melody". This might be a time when a quote is better to describe it, rather than possibly introducing bias into the writing. For example, a melisma is a musical term, but "belted her face off" is a bit more objective. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

You just removed "smooth", which makes it even more basic by just saying "melody". If someone described it as "smooth", then that would be a valid quote, but as a musician, I wanted to know objectively what it was. Almost every song has a "melody". ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• The album doesn't description doesn't mention anything about No. 1 or Breathe Me. Any reason? What about "Priorities"?

 Done dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• "and includes raw vocals from Gunna and Skillibeng" - what do you mean by "raw vocals"?

I like to follow the references, but I fixed it. dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• "Art", the tenth song on the album, has been described as the most-pleasantly erotic song Tyla has released since "Water" - who described this? Also, given the rest of this section is more about the actual songs and not reviews/descriptions of the songs, maybe you could write it to explain how it is the "most-pleasantly erotic song". You're fairly explicit with your description of Water, so you can do the same with Art.

As mentioned above, I like to follow the sources and unfortunately "Art" doesn't have much publications going deeper into its composition and lyrics like "Water". Any suggestions? dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

It seems like you're quoting someone, but you're not saying the exact quote here. "Pleasantly erotic" is something a fan would say, it's biased. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• "The album closes with a remix of "Water", with newly-added rap verses, courtesy of Travis Scott." - this is unsourced

 Done dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• I'd add when the tour was canceled/postponed, and when the injury was. That seems to be an important moment in the album.

I can get the cancelation date but they explained that she has been suffering from the injury prior to the tour (no date specified). dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• You mention Tyla's first performance on Colbert, but don't say if the Jimmy Fallon one was her first performance. Maybe remove the fact it was the "first performance", since that doesn't add much?

 Done dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Has Tyla performed at all since April? I see there was the BET awards she performed at. I'm guessing there might be a bit missing, since it only goes up to April. This echoes what I said earlier about it being difficult to get an article to FA for such a recent topic. Not impossible, but care is needed.

On it. dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• Aside from the following, there isn't much mixed to negative criticism: Lim also said despite the "little emotional or energetic dynamism". And the reviews said "Tyla received "universal acclaim" based on a weighted average score of 84 out of 100 from 10 critic scores" But 84 isn't perfect. Try balancing with some other less beneficial coverage.

Can you please help me with this too. This statement was generated through a template and I don't know how to get around it. Should I type it out manually? And if yes, then is it okay if I use the word "moderate?" dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Well do you have any quotes of anyone giving any criticism about the album? Or some negative coverage? It just doesn't feel balanced. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I think I have solved this puzzle now. It's really not easy. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Just checking, what was the negative criticism? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

So those are my main thoughts, having read the article with an eye for it being an FAC in the future. You've certainly done a good job so far on the article, so I hope the above can help. Whatcha think, Dxneo? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much Hurricanehink. I will now start working on the live performance. How did I do so far? I'm sorry if I am asking for too much, but I want this to be perfect. dxneo (talk) 01:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh and would it be okay if I added this audio sample to the article or it's okay with just one sample? dxneo (talk) 01:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not the most familiar with adding audio samples, you might want to reach out to another music editor to know what's appropriate. In general, I would say that it's probably not OK. This is an album, not a song, so the audio sample has a good rationale for fair use for the song itself, but I don't think that applies to the album, which is a body of work. Jump is an important part of that, but with 14 tracks, I don't think it needs the audio sample. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Not a problem sir, I was just taking reference from Red (Taylor Swift album). dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Let me know what you think. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I have addressed all mentioned issues, only thing left is the Live performances and I will get on it soon. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

One last thing, I just did a Google search, and it looks like "Breathe Me" had a video released recently. Was that also a single? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

So far, only Rolling Stone has specifically referred to it as the "fifth single."

Tyla is on her fifth single from the album. She started in 2023 with the viral smash “Water,” which was followed earlier this year with “Truth or Dare” in February, “Art” in April,” and “Jump” in May.

I haven't found any radio date yet, therefore I'm not really sure if it's a single or not. What do you think sir? dxneo (talk) 02:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

This source also calls "Breathe Me" a single. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

As for just "single", we have a share of sources. Let me quickly update this. Oh and what if I can't find negative criticism? How do I go around that? dxneo (talk) 22:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello sir, I think I have addressed every issue including the performances and pop-up shows. I was thinking of going for FAC, I mean what could possibly go wrong Please do a double check before I proceed. dxneo (talk) 15:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I still think you should try and find some more balanced criticism. Parts of the reception feel like it's written by a fan. Interestingly, since you asked me to review the article, I've noticed (anecdotally) people bashing the album, including a friend of mine I work out with (who can't stand "Water"), not to mention people on Reddit critiquing the album and Tyla's lasting potential as an artist. So given all of that, and that the Tour still hasn't happened, and the article is so new, is there a reason you want to go for FAC right now? The article is likely going to change if there are additional singles, or when/if the Tour finally happens. For instance, if there doesn't end up being a Tour, then that tour article can and probably should be merged with the album. One last thing I mentioned before that you didn't do - can you go more into the injury that led to the tour cancellation? Like, was it a twisted ankle?

And going back to your desire to have a successful FAC, are there any other projects that you were thinking about taking to FAC? I don't want to tell you not to do this album, but I really think you should wait a bit due to the potential changes, and perhaps you could try your hand at something else to get more experience with FAC's. Are there any other older albums or artists that you're interested in? Even if it's like two years old, at that point the topic is so much more stable than a recent album release. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Did you know that Tyla is not "big" in South Africa? 😅 I've never came across someone blasting "Water", her fused amapiano is not what they prefer around here. Even me, I'm just interested in her success because literally no one in South Africa has ever achieved this much success, I've never listened to her music (I only like "Truth or Dare"). Back to the article, I'm not in a rush to get it to FA, just that I've been working on it since it was announced on 1 December 2023. I'll try to balance the critics, problem is that I am only looking for reliable sources and they are all praising her, and I can't cite Reddit.

Again, they never went into detail about the injury. "An injurythat worsened," is all the information we got. That's why I think it was a stunt due to low ticket sales because she's now traveling and performing week in week out, and she has refunded the UK & Europe citizens 🤷‍♂️

I was thinking of going for some of the Weeknd's music and maybe Eminem's too. Thank you for everything, you were patient and I learned a lot. dxneo (talk) 20:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

New pages patrol September 2024 Backlog drive

New pages patrol | September 2024 Backlog Drive
On 1 September 2024, a one-month backlog drive for new pages patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Each article review will earn 1 point, and each redirect review will earn 0.2 points. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
You're receiving this message because you are a new page patroller. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tyla

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Tyla you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Chchcheckit -- Chchcheckit (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

DJ Kelblizz

Hello, Dxneo,

This main space page was protected and there was a previous AFD on an article on this subject. There has been a lot of sockpuppetry regarding this article in the past and present and the sources are pretty iffy (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DJ Kelblizz (2nd nomination) for a source analysis). So, I'm wondering why you accepted this draft and moved it to main space, not once but twice. It must have seemed main space-ready to you for you to accept it twice so I'm wondering what you thought of the sources when you reviewed the draft. Maybe you can offer your opinion at the AFD. Thanks for any insight you can provide to your process. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tyla

The article Tyla you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Tyla and Talk:Tyla/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Chchcheckit -- Chchcheckit (talk) 11:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tyla

The article Tyla you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Tyla for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Chchcheckit -- Chchcheckit (talk) 23:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft:South African Music Encyclopedia

Hey,

I hate cutting across a fellow AfC/NPP reviewer's work, so wanted to run this by you first.

I'm thinking of accepting Draft:South African Music Encyclopedia despite your rejection. I think there's evidence that this was a significant work in its day, and IMO as such passes WP:GNG and probably also WP:NBOOK. In any case, if I've interpreted your review comment correctly, this was a procedural rather than substantive rejection?

Any objections?

Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for reaching out mate, I appreciate that. I think I was too quick to judge (because I mainly work on the South African side of the encyclopedia), but I find it very difficult to verify the content of the page because of its citation style. If you think that it is ready for mainspace then please accept it, the backlog is way too long. Thank you again, happy editing! dxneo (talk) 17:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Reverted hyperlink

Hi! Why did you revert my edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1245737926&markasread=326164503&markasreadwiki=enwiki&oldid=prev&title=Tyla ? Thx in advance Osalbahr (talk) 07:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Osalbahr, South Africa is a common terminology, there's a script solely written to unlink such terms including the [[United States]], [[YouTube]], [[New York]] and so on. dxneo (talk) 08:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)