Template talk:Turkic peoples

User:Mehmeett21's massive sock puppetry

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And a bunch of dynamic IP addresses (most recent 31.200.xxx.xxx)

Someone report this user on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. He should be banned from this topic (any Turkic, Euroasian, and related historical articles). --188.158.116.74 (talk) 06:46, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sock puppet. Madyas (talk) 10:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 2020 changes

@Wario-Man and Kypioys sx:: Would you like to discuss which articles should be linked from this template? I am not an expert on Turkic peoples. I reverted because most links in this version lead to disambiguation pages. Some don't even contain a relevant entry: which Tofa is a Siberian people? About one third of the links do lead to articles and most seem relevant, but others such as Tuba clearly are not. To a layman, the previous version seems much better. Certes (talk) 09:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Hazaras

@HistoryofIran:, this template lists Turkic peoples. Below of the main list, there's another section called "Others". Origin of Hazaras is unclear, so we cannot add them into main list. The Hazaras wikipage mentions of this debate in the Origins section. Joseph (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The section mentions that they're mixed. Still, that does not make them a Turkic, Mongol, or Iranian people unless WP:RS says so. "Others" is vague and can give a false account of what they are - the template is ultimately named "Template:Turkic peoples", which they're not. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Others" means related. If we had enough RS, then we would include them in the main list. If you search Google Scholar, there are lots of arguments on this debate. Joseph (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, "Others" mean "Others", and "Related" still gives a false impression considering they have mixed origin of three ethnic groups, especially when the Hazaras don't speak a Turkic language. If there are so many WP:RS, by all means, please cite a WP:RS that says they're an ethnic Turkic group. Two prominent sources; EI3 [1] and Iranica [2] don't support this. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can add a "Mixed" section. Or rename Others to "Others/Mixed" Joseph (talk) 17:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So let me get this right.. you want to add the Hazaras, a people who are not an ethnic Turkic group, who is a mix of three different ethnicities (Turkic, Mongol, Iranian), and don't even speak a Turkic language, under "Others/Mixed" in a Template named "Turkic people"..? Let me come with an example so you can get an idea of flawed this sounds. If someone finds a WP:RS that states that Turkish people have some Greek or Anatolian ancestry, do we add them under Template:Greek people or Template:Anatolian peoples? HistoryofIran (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]