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Current Squad: Unattached / Free Agent

Hey all,

In a national team's Current Squad, do we think it's best practice to show a player without a club as:

1)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Free agent

2)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Unattached

3)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Unattached

4)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0

I'd personally usually use number 3 but just seeing whether a general consensus exists. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Option 3. Kante4 (talk) 10:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say Option 3 or 4, but probably 3 just to alleviate the unknown. Chris1834 Talk 13:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not 4, that just looks like somebody has forgotten to add the information. No real preference beyond that -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer option 3 also, there are enough links on a page, so no need to put links to basic terms. Govvy (talk) 14:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use WP:ENGVAR. I'd have to revert to "free agent" in articles such as Philippines national football team. Unattached sounds like their limbs have been dismembered. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option 3 is best (no link) - and fine to use 'Free agent' for some countries per DATEVAR. Giant Snowman 07:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I endorse option 3. Svartner (talk) 12:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option 1 or 3, but if option 1, I concur with Govvy that there is no need to link to Free agent. Demt1298 (talk) 13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Part 2

Great, now for part two of the question: if information on the player's club can't be found, which method do people prefer?

A)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0

B)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Unknown

I usually use A but I guess B is more informative. Cheers again Felixsv7 (talk) 15:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely B out of these two options. A looks like you just forgot to add it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:47, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same as Chris for me. Kante4 (talk) 15:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: If there's a third option that I've forgotten to suggest, please feel free to add! Felixsv7 (talk) 15:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't think of anything better than option B, personally -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely B as per Chris Demt1298 (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Template talk:Country data Guadeloupe § Edit request 20 September 2024

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Country data Guadeloupe § Edit request 20 September 2024, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. There is a discussion about using the French and People's Union for the Liberation of Guadeloupe flags to represent Guadeloupe football teams. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

North Korean footballers

I am curious, does anyone know how many articles have been deleted now? Govvy (talk) 07:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfD Stats - Results I think this might help? ColchesterSid (talk) 10:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised that Simione001 was allowed to keep creating AfDs for North Korean players after stuff like this. Black Kite (talk) 11:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is ideologically opposed to Koreans having articles or footballers? Echetus Xe 17:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly sounds like North Koreans to me. Black Kite (talk) 17:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to suggest a topic ban at ANI, I'd support it. Giant Snowman 19:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most articles do not have any condition to be maintained, but there are some cases where the athletes in question are significant due to the number of appearances or appearances in World Cups. Svartner (talk) 06:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I asked, because a friend in the media thought there might be an interesting story to write on the purge of North Korean footballer articles from wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 15:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would likewise support topic ban.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I dislike the purging, but with WP:SPORTCRIT replacing WP:NFOOTY, it's difficult to see how any North Korean sportspeople are notable unless they compete overseas or have significant international achievements. The coverage for their domestic-based players is of course almost non-existent. S.A. Julio (talk) 04:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's sad really, North Korea seem to rather build their nuclear capabilities and army, than to promote and push their sports. Media suppression, help the state or perish, the weak shall be purged rhetoric. All these player articles are stubs and not really wikipedia worthy, but as I've always said it's how we use the information we have on wikipedia. I strongly believe we needed to create a list article for these players, that would be more honourable to their cause than simply wiping them out from wikipedia existence. Govvy (talk) 08:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Though their women's sides are suprisingly quite good, especially the youth --SuperJew (talk) 09:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Panenkazo

New sock, with the same separatist agenda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJBBSS_02)? If not, what an unfortunate coincidence, because the M.O. is exactly the same!

Attentively RevampedEditor (talk) 15:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. Panenkazo called players "Spanish footballer from Catalonia" which is less politically charged, even though his talk page posts were rabid, telling other users that they were not real Catalans unless they posted equally biased content [1]. This just looks to me like the 10000000000000000000th Wikipedia football editor who is WP:NOTHERE to tell us about blokes kicking a ball, but to boost the achievements of his ethnic group. Anyone who has ever been on Catalan Wikipedia knows that these people are not in short supply (let's look at what country hosted the 1992 Olympics [2]). A WP:SPA who is here to deny the existence of Spain and propose the existence of a completely unrecognised country warrants a block. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Council is a group that talks about how to organize and support WikiProjects. If you are interested in helping WikiProjects, please put that page on your watchlist and join the discussions there. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ángel Gómez (football manager)

What is the precedent for title of this page (I knew this would come up as soon as I made it). It's been moved unilaterally, but there are several other valid options.

Most of Gómez's work is as a director of football. He was a manager for three months in Ecuador in 2017.

He was a player, but at an extraordinarily low level. Sources say he was a youth player at Eintracht Frankfurt until he was 12 and played for several Catalan clubs until he became a coach at 26. Cross-checking his age with the pages on his clubs in Spain shows it was all at regional level.

Now, I'm half aware of a precedent that all footballers who became managers have "(footballer)" in the title because it's subjective whether they were more noted for playing or managing. An example I'm thinking of is Roger Schmidt (footballer), whose page says he was a lower-league amateur player, certainly not matching managing Benfica.

So is it Ángel Gómez (footballer, born 1976), Ángel Gómez (football manager), Ángel Gómez (director of football) or just avoid the argument and have Ángel Gómez Ruiz? I haven't gone to Requested Moves as there are so many options.

In any case, User:Ortizesp should have sought more consensus before a page move. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His COMMONNAME is certainly not "Ángel Gómez Ruiz", considering every single reference on his page omits his maternal surname. I'm fine with any other option beyond that, normal convention at NCSP probably points to Ángel Gómez (footballer, born 1976) but I'm not sure his playing career was noteable. If you disagree with any move, you are free to revert or open a discussion at WP:RM.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be 'Ángel Gómez (footballer, born 1976)', we diamabiguate as 'footballer' for those who have had a playing career even if they are more famous as a coach/director. Giant Snowman 18:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm fine with that. Should I BOLDly move or open a discussion. --Ortizesp (talk) 19:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I suggest WP:RM. Giant Snowman 20:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's at WP:RM now. I think the three of us are seeing things the same way now but the community at large should have input, especially as the page has already been moved once today. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

QPR women's Players categories question

I just created Category:Queens Park Rangers (Women) F.C. players should players who played for the Queen's Park Rangers L.F.C. (1969) team be included into Category:Queens Park Rangers (Women) F.C. players? Dwanyewest (talk) 07:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, if they are separate clubs with separate articles, there should be separate categories. Giant Snowman 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are players formed at their youth club?

[3] Is this something I've made up by reading too much Spanglish or is this something that people actually say? Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot remember ever hearing of a player being formed at a club in British English. Perhaps spent his formative years at... Spike 'em (talk) 11:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In all my decades of both following football and being British, I have never heard this expression used -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not good English. Giant Snowman 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerso Fernandes

Good afternoon,

a fellow user kindly added a statistical chart for this player. My query/doubt is the following: there is a discrepancy (box/said chart) regarding his Sporting Kansas City/Major League Soccer stats, and i believe some of those numbers may include playoff stuff.

Can someone accommodate/correct please? Thanks in advance RevampedEditor (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What specifically do you think is the discrepency? Demt1298 (talk) 15:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox says 107 matches and 19 goals, chart below "gives" him 109. --RevampedEditor (talk) 16:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The MLS career log lists 107 matches and 18 goals in regular season play, plus 5 playoff matches with 3 goals. The discrepancy may come from the MLS is Back Tournament, which had group stage games that counted towards the regular season but knockout games that did not. Sounder Bruce 17:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe @Mediocre Legacy: can lend a hand here and add to/fix the chart? He's quite the specialist so i've seen. Thanks to all for your inputs. --RevampedEditor (talk) 11:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed it. It was as SounderBruce said with the MLS is Back mini-tournament that was held upon the return from the COVID break. I added notes as well to explain as I've seen on many player pages for the 2020 season. RedPatch (talk) 12:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes kind fellow user @RedPatch:, forgot about you in my previous note, you are also quite adept in this department! Many thanks to all, continue the good work. --RevampedEditor (talk) 14:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gareth Bale

Can someone look at the intro to the Gareth Bale article. To me the plethora of citations claiming him to be the GOAT seems like overkill. Surely, if any of this is appropriate, it should be in the body of the article. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 10:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - it's WP:UNDUE. Historically, we have had the same issues - thankfully batted away - on articles such as Reece James ("one of the best right backs in the world") and James Ward-Prowse ("set piece specialist") etc. - added by fans with nothing better to do. Giant Snowman 10:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]